SamuraiJack Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 I hope to not bore (get it?) folks too much with this old old topic, but there is mixed info out there and I find the folks on this board to be the most learn-ed. I keep my desktops in a Vinotemp, around 67 degrees F. Has worked for years. Found my first beetle today, she was a sluggish little wench. I promptly inspected all cigars and found the victim, a perfectly round hole went deep into an 06 RASS. So I pitched the rest from that batch. Everything else looked good. Absolutely no dust (ie. dung), no holes in any other cigars (my understanding is that the female will re-bore into a cigar to plant eggs). I will drop the Vinotemp to 64 degrees. And closely inspect every few days. SO: Would you freeze the other cigars in there in this situation? Thanks yall!
Colt45 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 I probably would not have ditched the other RASS - those would probably be the one I'd have frozen, though more likely simply isolated in a different humidor/tupper, etc. My understanding is that beetles are latent in tobacco, and that they can hatch (relatively rarely) in the low 60s. Personally, I probably would not freeze the rest, but that is more likely because I've been lucky enough not to have suffered an outbreak. And now I've just jinxed myself.....
samb Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 Im very sorry to hear that. Be glad that its not widespread.
thechenman Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 It would depend on how many sticks we are talking about here. If it's a lot...I would likely freeze them as a safety precaution.
demiurgic Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 that sucks bro! hope you are able to quarantine the buggers. I freeze everything, box at a time when it lands from OZ. If I am correct, Prez did an analysis on the performane between cigars that are frozen and not frozen. Someone remind me if I'm wrong, but I "believe" there was no major taste difference correct Rob? Demi
PigFish Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 WhatColt Said x3 When I think of the mounds of beetle bodies, nose hairs, snot balls, sweat, saliva and other foreign objects and entities that I must have smoked through during the last two decades it makes me kinda' sick!!! Stop me from smoking.... Nope!
zuma Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 When I think of the mounds of beetle bodies, nose hairs, snot balls, sweat, saliva and other foreign objects and entities that I must have smoked through during the last two decades it makes me kinda' sick!!! Stop me from smoking.... Nope! Ah... Complexity! Take note, it is not just the soil that makes a Habano a truly complex cigar!
SamuraiJack Posted October 31, 2009 Author Posted October 31, 2009 I probably would not have ditched the other RASS The RASS weren't rocking my world anyway, maybe because they were filled with bbq larvae flavor. I got roughly 70 other sticks in there. I may go ahead and freeze if I get bored. Definitely will if something else shows up. In the meantime I'll just go through them often. Thanks folks!
Trevor2118 Posted October 31, 2009 Posted October 31, 2009 I keep my desktops in a Vinotemp, around 67 degrees F. Has worked for years.Found my first beetle today, she was a sluggish little wench. I promptly inspected all cigars and found the victim, a perfectly round hole went deep into an 06 RASS. So I pitched the rest from that batch. Everything else looked good. Absolutely no dust (ie. dung), no holes in any other cigars (my understanding is that the female will re-bore into a cigar to plant eggs). I will drop the Vinotemp to 64 degrees. And closely inspect every few days. Thanks yall! I recommend setting a target 61 deg F (16 °C). Anything above leaves you open to trouble. For a general discussion: http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/info-ciga..._&_Problems and the technical paper that says it all: Scientific Study of Lasioderma serricorne (Tobacco Beetle) http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/aez/41/1/87/_pdf Cheers
SamuraiJack Posted November 1, 2009 Author Posted November 1, 2009 After reading that PDF (thanks Trevor), and researching some more, I will freeze, and here is why: - it seems a hatched adult will begin laying eggs immediately, and throughout its short life - it would be near impossible to detect eggs, so I can only assume they were laid - given the life cycle, and the fact that it had been a few weeks before I inspected and found the adult, temps were likely high enough to allow hatching for those few weeks. And it can be only a matter of days for hatching to occur. - there is evidence that eggs will acclimate to cooler temps, thus making the larvae from those eggs even more tolerant of cooler temps. There is surprisingly little info out there (that I could find) that describes the egg-laying behavior of an adult. Hopefully someone else will find this info useful sometime.
sepp Posted November 2, 2009 Posted November 2, 2009 After reading that PDF (thanks Trevor), and researching some more, I will freeze, and here is why: Smart way to protect your investment. I now freeze all boxes that come in the front door. I keep a desktop for singles that I aquire.
SamuraiJack Posted November 2, 2009 Author Posted November 2, 2009 I keep a few desktops in a wine cooler, so I just had the one desktop's worth to freeze. Also, I had a bunch of those Ziploc vacuum seal baggies that I never use, worked like a charm.
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