US Elections question

[adamg]

As far as the bookies go Obama is odds on:-

http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politi...ected-president

Those of you with such strong feelings about Obama losing should fill your boots!!

[gostgost]

Hey Boss,

As you I am a history nut and I don't see Obama losing this election and I do not support him but he's got the younger crowd following him. He's doing everything right the internet, Utube, and talking to them the right way.

Obama is not for the war and clearly makes that clear, where Johnny boy is all for it and makes that painfully clear. But let me ask eveyone here one question, What do you all think that private meeting with Obama and Cliton was all about?

My answer - Cliton talks to Obama and stated the following listen make me your VP and you'll win big time and when your done I'll get it and we both win.

I will not be a happy camper.

Dave.

[Spartagas]

»

» All this being said, I think the most powerful statistic (and the one you

» should place your bet on) is that an incumbant party has never won in bad

» economy. Also, only once in the last 60 years has a two term party won a

» third.

»

Bingo. I think as much as some may fear change, people fear the continuation of the current economic mess we are in even more. No one has yet mentioned the fact that as gas prices continue to skyrocket, everyone feels the pinch. The continued protection of "Big Oil" by McCain and the GOP is going to cost them votes. Does anyone really believe that this is going to get better if McCain gets elected?

[gostgost]

Johnny boy is not going to do one thing to help us but he will not hurt his friends like George. Him taking the gas tax off is only going to hurt us and give the goverment another reason to raise taxes. Leave the gas tax alone and find out who's to blame price of oil.

I was very happy to see and hear it live and in color that the Saudi's want a meeting with the US because they do not understand what is driving up the price of oil. It was stated by OPEC "it's not us driving up the price it's you and we want to know what going on??"

Listen the price of gas can be lowered in a New York minute if the the BIG 3 (auto makers) and the airline companies say knock it off or be ready to pay the price when it's our turn.

[Claudius]

» You have a black man (I know he is mixed race but that is not how he is

» perceived) running for the presidency. I don't think we have an Aboriginal

» man or woman in Parliament.

Maybe not, but Rob, you've got the Queen of England in your Parliament! How cool is that!? :-D

[dizedean]

In any normal election year there are two things that would swing this election.

The lousy economy (we are in a slow recession here) and a unpopular war.

Both of these issues are a problem for McCain.

His age is also an issue.

But, this is not a normal election year.

We have a multi racial candidate running for office.

America is at a cross roads that I think we are not ready to handle.

Obama has shown a great organizational ability in running his primary campaign.

He has also brought American politics to the new millennium through his use of the internet.

All that being said, the USA is still a very much NASCAR nation.

Get away from the 2 coasts and it is unlikely that the "silent majority

will vote for a black man.

I believe Obama's choice of running mate is critical.

Can he mobilize black and young voters? It is going to be very hard.

Unfortunately we are going to be stuck with the same old backward thinking that has put us in the dark ages for the past eight years.

The incompetance has been unfathomable.

There are a lot of people who voted for George Bush for a second term. They will never vote for Obama.

We reward incompetence and we have all gotten what we deserve.

God help us all.

[Boston Mike]

I'm embarrassed that people FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET know more about US politics than I do! :-D

That being said, I honestly don't know. There are a lot of good posts on this thread. I can't believe how well some of you articulate without letting it get too emotional. Other threads like this on other web forums would have been blown to hell by now!:-)

[El Presidente]

» Maybe not, but Rob, you've got the Queen of England in your Parliament!

» How cool is that!? :-D

I am looking forward to catching up with you next month :cool:

[CigarZen]

This may be an overly simplistic view, but I believe an accurate one. "Man is but a drop of intellect in a sea of emotion."

That is to say, people vote based on their "feelings" and support it with reason. Many things feed into this, as we see above: political party, class, race, communication style, age, anger with past policies, fear, among others.

Usually it boils down to how people feel about their pocketbook . . . but here there are other factors.

[Shelby07]

» I have always been a history and politics nut and the forthcoming US

» elections intrigue me.

»

» Regardless of your hard political views......do you believe Obama has a

» serious chance?

»

» Looking from the outside in he no doubt carries some baggage which is well

» documented. Yet if you take in a mood for change within community, tough

» economic times, his youth and oratory ability, the war in Iraq which is

» generally unpopular, the move of previous tertiary issues (green issues)

» to the mainsteam, a Teflon ability to avoid mud sticking, a positive left

» leaning media and finally an opponent in his 70's (albeit well

» credentialed).......would you say he is at this point favourite for the

» Presidential Election.

»

» Regardless of what your political position is.......who does your "head"

» tell you is going to win?

»

» The reason for the question is that I may or may not have the opportunity

» to take a bet on a case of wine that he will not be President come

» November. I am not so sure and am tempted to take the bet.

OK... regardless of my political views, I would say that, yes, he has a very good chance of winning. The current administration is unpopular. While there are some who would never vote for a black candidate, there are many Americans who still feel guilty about the history of black oppression in this country and will vote for Obama because they are "liberated thinkers." Even worse, a whole bunch of people have no idea what is going on and will vote for whoever the poll of the day proclaims the most popular candidate.

There are a lot of factors that make people do what they do. In this country, it seem that a candidate's past baggage or political views have very little to do with his or her electability.

[Hugomarink]

» OK... regardless of my political views, I would say that, yes, he has a

» very good chance of winning. The current administration is unpopular.

» While there are some who would never vote for a black candidate, there are

» many Americans who still feel guilty about the history of black oppression

» in this country and will vote for Obama because they are "liberated

» thinkers." Even worse, a whole bunch of people have no idea what is going

» on and will vote for whoever the poll of the day proclaims the most

» popular candidate.

»

» There are a lot of factors that make people do what they do. In this

» country, it seem that a candidate's past baggage or political views have

» very little to do with his or her electability.

Do you think it's accurate to say there is probably 40% of the population who will vote Republican no matter who is their nominee, about 40% of the population who will vote Democrat no matter who is their nominee, and about 20% of the people who don't vote so much on issues but rather on who they feel more comfortable with as their leader. It's this undecided 20% that really decides our elections.

[Rogers72]

»

»

» Do you think it's accurate to say there is probably 40% of the population

» who will vote Republican no matter who is their nominee, about 40% of the

» population who will vote Democrat no matter who is their nominee, and

» about 20% of the people who don't vote so much on issues but rather on who

» they feel more comfortable with as their leader. It's this undecided 20%

» that really decides our elections.

I think that, historically, this has pretty much been the case. This election I think will be a little more muddled for several reasons:

1.) Many people who always vote Republican are fed up with the war and support pulling the trooops out completely and immediately.

2.) Many people who always vote Republican are fed up with the economy/fuel/housing situation and place the blame of that squarely on one man's shoulders. That man is a Republican incumbent President.

3.) Many people who always vote Republican feel victimized by the Republican President for Katrina or other natural disasters.

4.) Many people who always vote Democrat will not vote for a black man.

5.) Many people who always vote Democrat will not vote for a man of Islamic decent.

6.) The Obama camp is hoping for an enormous turnout from young voters and, specifically, young black voters. This demographic has never turned out in much force before. Will they now?

How many people each of these points sway is anybody's guess and will decide the election. In addition, I cannot seem to put my finger on the pulse of the Hispanic vote yet. How many turn out and which way they turn will also be big.

[Claudius]

» Do you think it's accurate to say there is probably 40% of the population

» who will vote Republican no matter who is their nominee, about 40% of the

» population who will vote Democrat no matter who is their nominee, and

» about 20% of the people who don't vote so much on issues but rather on who

» they feel more comfortable with as their leader. It's this undecided 20%

» that really decides our elections.

That's very accurate to say. It is the main argument I use to explain to people why democracy is not the right system; it is inherently flawed in that it achieves the exact opposite of what it is supposed to achieve. And very few people notice.

[Shelby07]

» » OK... regardless of my political views, I would say that, yes, he has a

» » very good chance of winning. The current administration is unpopular.

» » While there are some who would never vote for a black candidate, there

» are

» » many Americans who still feel guilty about the history of black

» oppression

» » in this country and will vote for Obama because they are "liberated

» » thinkers." Even worse, a whole bunch of people have no idea what is

» going

» » on and will vote for whoever the poll of the day proclaims the most

» » popular candidate.

» »

» » There are a lot of factors that make people do what they do. In this

» » country, it seem that a candidate's past baggage or political views

» have

» » very little to do with his or her electability.

»

»

» Do you think it's accurate to say there is probably 40% of the population

» who will vote Republican no matter who is their nominee, about 40% of the

» population who will vote Democrat no matter who is their nominee, and

» about 20% of the people who don't vote so much on issues but rather on who

» they feel more comfortable with as their leader. It's this undecided 20%

» that really decides our elections.

It's going to be a tough call this year. McCain has never been considered a conservative republican. He ran for the nomination in 2000 and was not very well received by the republican party. He is a taxer, is against drilling in ANWR or in the rockies, is not afraid of bigger government and generally, in my opinion, is more of a democrat than a republican. I don't think the republicans wanted to nominate any of the front runners this year because the current administration is so unpopular. I think many will vote along party lines and some will just opt out, but it's Obama's election to loose.

[bambam]

After the democratic national convention you will see Obama tone down his left wing rhetoric. He needed them to beat Hillary and the unions. He now has to start to appeal to the swing voters in the middle. McCain needs to move as far away from Bush as possible. Whichever candidate does this the best will win. It will be a very close and historic race. The will for "change" is very strong right now. It is Obama's race to lose IMO.

[aavkk]

Its going to be close so betting either way is like betting QQ against AK at this point. Once we get deeper into the summer we will have a better idea. My hunch is Obama for many of the reasons listed above mainly the "need for change".

[smokum]

Yeah but the real question is...do either of these dickwads smoke cigars ? I want to smoke somewhere besides my yard.

[Mel]

Wow what a thread! My thoughts in a nut shell are, altogether they would fill but half:

1. If Obama get a hispanic running mate it's over.

2. McCain still has some life left in him. Have you seen his wife????

3. We're ****ed either way

4. the constitution says all MEN are created equal it don't say **** about women, adios Hillary.

5.Rascism is everywhere. Monkeys live with monkeys, fish with fish, lions with lions and it proves animals of similar makeup stick together. Should it be any different with humans? Chinese live in China, blacks in Africa and Aussies down under. That is why we have oceans so we don't kill each other as quickly;-)

[ArloGut]

» Sorry to run off topic here, but that election was a farce. Bush won by

» the electoral college vote. The popular vote went to Gore, which just goes

» to show you every vote is not created equal.

Hard to believe Gore didn't win since he "Invented the Internet"

:-D

[El Presidente]

» 4. the constitution says all MEN are created equal it don't say **** about

» women, adios Hillary.

» 5.Rascism is everywhere. Monkeys live with monkeys, fish with fish, lions

» with lions and it proves animals of similar makeup stick together. Should

» it be any different with humans? Chinese live in China, blacks in Africa

» and Aussies down under. That is why we have oceans so we don't kill each

» other as quickly;-)

You are a beautiful man Mel

[jdbrown]

In 5 easy pieces you have changed my thought process forever!

[MoeCizlak]

» Wow what a thread! My thoughts in a nut shell are, altogether they would

» fill but half:

» 1. If Obama get a hispanic running mate it's over.

» 2. McCain still has some life left in him. Have you seen his wife????

» 3. We're ****ed either way

» 4. the constitution says all MEN are created equal it don't say **** about

» women, adios Hillary.

» 5.Rascism is everywhere. Monkeys live with monkeys, fish with fish, lions

» with lions and it proves animals of similar makeup stick together. Should

» it be any different with humans? Chinese live in China, blacks in Africa

» and Aussies down under. That is why we have oceans so we don't kill each

» other as quickly;-)

Very well put!! I would like to add that Obama could be plaid and I wouldn't vote for him because his beliefs don't jive with mine. McCain isn't a whole lot better but I agree with more of his policies than Obama's. I think that more people will vote for Obama because of his skin color than vote against him for the same reason and that is sad. We've come a long way in terms of race in the US but the color of a person's skin is still the first and only thing some people see. Incidentally, I'm continually shocked that Condi Rice isn't championed more by minority and women's organizations. If McCain chose her for his running mate it would have less of an impact than if Obama was to do so in my estimation.

[Colt45]

» And no, I DO NOT WATCH OPRAH.

Are you sure?

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[Guest Warren]

» » And no, I DO NOT WATCH OPRAH.

»

» Are you sure?

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Colt , you da Man.

I'm going to have to print this one out and show the Wife :-D