torpedo and figuardo. why not so many cigars with that shape

[vegard_dino]

Hi all

Well, more stupid questions........

At "my" local cigar shop, they have a good( I think so) numbers of cigars from Cuba. But, not so many with the torpedo and figuardo shape. Why?

I asked the shop owner, and he sad that no one likes them. Who have you seen smoking a torpedo or figuardo he sad?

They all like to have the coronas and Churhill´s and the robusto´s. He is a great fan of the MC torpedos, so he did give me one when I got my start kit from him. He is also a fan of the tres petit coronas. He sad that back in the 50-60-70 he sold more cigars with these shaps than today. Not so many asked about them he sad.

Is he right? Is it more about looks and what you se others smoke, that makes the cigar producers make less and less of these shapes?

I find the shape of the torpedo and the figuardo cool.....but, that is me...:-)

Happy smoking and have a good day all

Thanks for looking

Vegard_dino

[yossie]

I love torpedos.

Well, One of the main reasons why Habanos doesn't sell the vitola so much is diffuclter to roll than petit corona or corona.

You know, The shape is quite different from pajero like corona.

So, I guess Torpedo is difficult to roll for most of rollers.

Another reason I think up is the time to smoke such big cigars.

That requires longer time than robusto as you know.

I've heard recent cigar smokers are busy and like to smoke cigars doesn't need long time.

For the reason, Habanos produced Monte Petit edmundo and Hoyo Petit robusto.

[atomross13]

some of the figuardo cigars I have tried have given me some burn issues at the start. they burn good for the tip then tunnel or go out at the first bit of the fat part. With that siad I do like the style and I like torps as well. I prefer thinner gauge cigars so the tapered ends of large ring gauge toprs and figs cigars allows you to cut them to a smaller diameter then the other corona shaped cigars.

I think the reason for the lack of them is its easier to roll the same general shape all of the time. I would think a torp is no harder to roll than a corona , the figuardo I would agree is harder to roll.

[Colt45]

If you have not already, check out the Habanos S.A. website:

http://www.habanos.com/vitolario.aspx?lang=en

In the upper right, click on vitolas - you will be able to scroll through all the shapes made.

You'll see that, while not as many as parejos, there are a number of shaped cigars produced.

Why some may or may not like them is open to speculation. In general, I prefer a "normal"

straight sided cigar.

[vegard_dino]

» I love torpedos.

» Well, One of the main reasons why Habanos doesn't sell the vitola so much

» is diffuclter to roll than petit corona or corona.

» You know, The shape is quite different from pajero like corona.

» So, I guess Torpedo is difficult to roll for most of rollers.

»

» Another reason I think up is the time to smoke such big cigars.

» That requires longer time than robusto as you know.

» I've heard recent cigar smokers are busy and like to smoke cigars doesn't

» need long time.

» For the reason, Habanos produced Monte Petit edmundo and Hoyo Petit

» robusto.

Yes, that may be so..harder to roll, so easyer to make the corona looking cigar style.

Thanks

[vegard_dino]

» If you have not already, check out the Habanos S.A. website:

» http://www.habanos.com/vitolario.aspx?lang=en

»

» In the upper right, click on vitolas - you will be able to scroll through

» all the shapes made.

» You'll see that, while not as many as parejos, there are a number of

» shaped cigars produced.

»

» Why some may or may not like them is open to speculation. In general, I

» prefer a "normal"

» straight sided cigar.

Thanks for a good link. Yes, there are a number of non corona shaped cigars.. I like that. I am not like the rest..hehheh..But, as you say, it is it also oa question of what one like.

Thanks

[SubChop]

» If you have not already, check out the Habanos S.A. website:

» http://www.habanos.com/vitolario.aspx?lang=en

»

» In the upper right, click on vitolas - you will be able to scroll through

» all the shapes made.

» You'll see that, while not as many as parejos, there are a number of

» shaped cigars produced.

»

» Why some may or may not like them is open to speculation. In general, I

» prefer a "normal"

» straight sided cigar.

Not to be an ass, just trying to understand the vernacular. Doesn't "figuardo" translate to a shaped cigar of various dimensions, whereas a torpedo has specific dimensions. Also, on the site you mentioned, I didn't see torpedo, although both the Rodolfo and Campanas looked like torpedoes to me.

Can you clarify?

[Colt45]

» Not to be an ass, just trying to understand the vernacular.

Not being an ass at all. In the Habanos world, it's called a pirámide - 6 1/8" x 52 - straight sides

with a tapered head. In general terms, torpedo is also used to describe this shape.

If I recall correctly, the original torpedo shape was tapered at both ends and bulbous in the middle,

but that was many moons ago, and I could be mistaken. And yes, I think generally, many of the

other shaped cigars - closed on both ends, flared sides, a nipple at the foot, etc, would be considered

figurados.

[Mel]

Things change with the times and the pirimides and figurados are going out of style along with the thin and long parajos. The old style shapes are more compicated and cost more money to produce that combined with the popularuty decrease makes them harder to sell.

[Claudius]

You're not an ass, I am! Look:

» Things change with the times and the pirimides and figurados are going out of style along with the thin and long parajos.

So, Mel, you spell pyramide without an A, using an I instead (like Rob)... and you make up for it by adding an A to parejo? :-D

[Claudius]

Regarding the figurado question, I think the pointy head is good as it allows you to get the opening you want. I, for example, always start with a small cut and only cut off more if the draw is really tight. My big fear with recent production is that it may be too easy drawing, hence this approach.

That said, the figurados that are available are usually large RG cigars, and thus not that attractive in terms of flavor concentration (keyword volado). Initial release P2 were very good, as is the occasional, exceptional quality Monte 2 or Upmann 2 (or the fabulous recent Cohiba Pyramides EL), but generally speaking, figurados are not that interesting: for every figurdo, there are dozens of better, cheaper parejos.

[Mel]

» You're not an ass, I am! Look:

»

» » Things change with the times and the pirimides and figurados are going

» out of style along with the thin and long parajos.

»

» So, Mel, you spell pyramide without an A, using an I instead (like Rob)...

» and you make up for it by adding an A to parejo? :-D

My full name is not Mel but I shortened it so it would easy to spell. I think pirimide is ok but I messed up the other, sorry mate.;-)

[Claudius]

» I think pirimide is ok

Just checked: the Spanish spelling is "pirámide"... but I think my Cohibas ELs had a Y in them? Not sure now, will check. Maybe I got fakes? ;-) :-D

[Ken Gargett]

» » Not to be an ass, just trying to understand the vernacular.

»

» Not being an ass at all. In the Habanos world, it's called a pirámide - 6

» 1/8" x 52 - straight sides

» with a tapered head. In general terms, torpedo is also used to describe

» this shape.

»

» If I recall correctly, the original torpedo shape was tapered at both ends

» and bulbous in the middle,

» but that was many moons ago, and I could be mistaken. And yes, I think

» generally, many of the

» other shaped cigars - closed on both ends, flared sides, a nipple at the

» foot, etc, would be considered

» figurados.

i suspect tha clt is right re the original shapes and i presume that as rolling became more sophisticated, they moved to the shape we know today - no idea if they were called torps back then. suspect not.

i smoked quite a lot of this shape in the early days and still enoy them but less so today, i guess because of the much wider range available with the normals shapes. also, these days, if i do pick up a pyramide, don't really think about the shape so much, more just because that is the cigar that appeals at that moment.

[Tampa1257]

Maybe it is me, but I have always thought that Torpedo's were for Non-Cuban cigars and that Pyramides were for Habanos much like the Campanas are also known as Belicoso's. Both are Figurado's. The Cuaba marca devotes the entire line to Figuardo's, as both ends of the cigar are tapered. It takes more skill to roll a figuardo than a parejo I believe. Trends develop and change all the time. Some of the best New Items that Habanos S.A. have come out with over the past few years have been Pyramides and Campanas (Figuardos) i.e., the Partagas Serie P No. 2 and the Ramon Allones Belicoso Fino. These are excellent Figuardos.

It takes many different sizes to satisfy the Habanos smoker.

Hopefully the trend of the big fattie filled with volado and aimed at the newer cigar smoker as a trendy and almost tasteless cigar will not bring down the thinner ring Habanos that many of the Connaisseur Habanos smokers appreciate and love.

Try a Partagas Serie du Connaisseur No.3 or No. 1 and then a Trinidad Fundadore or a Cohiba Lancero or even a Montecristo Especiale No. 1 or No. 2 and try the thinner cigars as well as the larger ring Habanos.

Tampa