Trinidad Ingenios Edicion Limitada SEP 2007

[stever]

Excellent review. The intrigiung flavors you picked out are making me take notice of this cigar.

Smithy: Hello. No time for reviews? :-)

[Colt45]

Thanks for the review - I look forward to a follow up in the future.

As for Smithy....... I'll just say hello Smithy.......

[Miami101]

Hey Smithy »

Good to see you are alive!

[smokum]

Great review and glad to see your thoughts BGM vs Trini at this age. I smoked a BGM in Florida last week...and it was very good.

[Mike33]

Very nice review Rob! Can't wait till I get my boxes :-D

[shrink]

Good to see you again, Smithy! Things on the deck just haven't been the same since you moved North. Miss your reviews, too.

[bassman]

If it tasted like curried eggplant I might be interested.:-D

[jwm8592]

Thanks for the review Pres., how about a review of the PL robusto that was just released?

[El Presidente]

I will review the PL Robusto Friday our time.

Shrink....I also miss Smithy's reviews. Who could ever forget his "fruit salad" description of a cigar. World first

[Ginseng]

» Predominant flavours

» were white pepper, toasted tobacco, nougat and a prickly note which I can

» only describe as eggplant. Smithy concurred but described the prickliness

» as Rocket lettuce in profile. The element we were both trying to describe

» had a greenness but also a hard edged personality.

Great to see Smithy back at the ranch again. :-)

BTW, I'd like to ask, first, by Rocket lettuce, do you mean endive? Second, do you mean sort of a green bitterness?

Wilkey

[El Presidente]

» BTW, I'd like to ask, first, by Rocket lettuce, do you mean endive?

» Second, do you mean sort of a green bitterness?

»

» Wilkey

That was what he was alluding to Wilkey. It is a pepper greeness. Not off putting...just a hint of youth combined with power.

[happy1]

sounds like a good smoke

[Guest Robusto 107]

» sounds like a good smoke

yes, I have a good smoke few days ago. Very good cigar and tasty, but a bit harsh and the last 1/3. Wait for better improvement

[Mr. Japan]

Ciao, yes I agree it must stay a bit before we can say it is a good smoke.

I guess longer than the 6 months, I will smoke a news one not earlier than 3 years.

Enjoy sunday smoking

[Ginseng]

» Ciao, yes I agree it must stay a bit before we can say it is a good

» smoke.

»

» I guess longer than the 6 months, I will smoke a news one not earlier than

» 3 years.

»

» Enjoy sunday smoking

Gino,

I wish I had that discipline. :-D

Wilkey

[Claudius]

Just smoked my first, err, first three. Lit the first one this morning and couldnt believe how good it was, so I lit another after lunch. And after dinner again, just to make sure.

Well, the first one was the best, perfect construction and resistive (almost firm, but not quite, very good this way) draw. The other 2 had a tighter draw. Not too tight, but firm.

Anyway, I agree to a large extend with Rob's review; however, I could not taste eggplant although I eat a lot of eggplant (I like eggplant), but there was definitely this green prickly side which is enjoyable as it comes with a nice spiciness. A predominant taste, which I am surprised has not been mentioned, was umami, the savoury, salty, soy-sauce type of taste. Maybe there was a hint of a mushroom / forest / woody type of taste, but maybe these are only aromas I associate with the umami in my mind. I would say the body is medium-full.

In any case, this cigar is awesome. A very big surprise to me, as I usually find Trinidads a bit light and too woody. This cigar had only very little of the woodiness , but A LOT of this fantastic grilled beef / soy sauce/ UMAMI taste. I'm very impressed and would recommend this cigar to everybody who likes medium-full spicy cigars, Ramon Allones or Partagas style. 95/100!

[Ginseng]

Today I had the pleasure of sampling an Ingenios.

My bottom line impression: This is a cigar full of power and substance and a paradox of floral, aromatic depth that will need years to unwind.

It would almost be a waste to smoke these now. The first 1" was full of peppery, heavy cedar character. Not quite nose hair curling but even more potent than young Reyes. To be honest, I didn't recognize it as being a Trinidad. The middle third was very dense, concentrated pure tobacco with a heavy, heavy mouthfeel even smoking in my garage at 36F. The in-air aroma was clinging and intensely aromatic as opposed to the piercing strength from the first 1-2". Throughout the second half, the cigar delivered an increasingly potent aromatic, floral, almost perfumed punch when expelled nasally that I've only experienced in one other Trinidad, the Torre Iznaga from last year's book humidor release. My impression was that it was even more pronounced and powerful than in the Torre Iznaga, which I considered to be a very smooth, deceptively nic-loaded cigar.

Overall, I feel good about laying these down for the long term. It would be worthwhile to try one now just to see how they are newborn, but their magic will only reveal themselves as the years march on. And I totally agree with Rob in that young, these are even more impressive than the Gold Medals.

Wilkey

[strayvector]

» Today I had the pleasure of sampling an Ingenios.

»

» My bottom line impression: This is a cigar full of power and

» substance and a paradox of floral, aromatic depth that will need years to

» unwind.

»

» It would almost be a waste to smoke these now. The first 1" was full of

» peppery, heavy cedar character. Not quite nose hair curling but even more

» potent than young Reyes. To be honest, I didn't recognize it as being a

» Trinidad. The middle third was very dense, concentrated pure tobacco with

» a heavy, heavy mouthfeel even smoking in my garage at 36F. The in-air

» aroma was clinging and intensely aromatic as opposed to the piercing

» strength from the first 1-2". Throughout the second half, the cigar

» delivered an increasingly potent aromatic, floral, almost perfumed punch

» when expelled nasally that I've only experienced in one other Trinidad,

» the Torre Iznaga from last year's book humidor release. My impression was

» that it was even more pronounced and powerful than in the Torre Iznaga,

» which I considered to be a very smooth, deceptively nic-loaded cigar.

»

» Overall, I feel good about laying these down for the long term. It would

» be worthwhile to try one now just to see how they are newborn, but their

» magic will only reveal themselves as the years march on. And I totally

» agree with Rob in that young, these are even more impressive than the Gold

» Medals.

»

» Wilkey

I'm just loving the BGMs right now, so you guys need to stop comparing this thing to the Gold Medal. I try to stay away from LEs and special editions, but if you keep saying that these are better than the BGMs....Aarrrgh! The temptation. You guys suck!

[Mike33]

» I try to stay away from LEs and special

» editions, but if you keep saying that these are better than the

» BGMs....Aarrrgh! The temptation. You guys suck!

Come on Sam.....you know you want 'em

Personally, I can't say for sure that these are better than the BGMs when they were brand spanking new. I felt the lone Ingenios I tried was somewhat closed in terms of flavor, even after a day of dry-boxing. I do think they will be spectacular in the coming years though.

Rob was dead-on in that you could certainly tell there is A+ tobacco in these cigars. I imagine it will be more fuller-bodied and spicier than the traditional Trinidads which has me salivating just thinking about it :-)

[Ginseng]

» I'm just loving the BGMs right now, so you guys need to stop comparing

» this thing to the Gold Medal. I try to stay away from LEs and special

» editions, but if you keep saying that these are better than the

» BGMs....Aarrrgh! The temptation. You guys suck!

Sam, you've got to try one to decide for yourself. Why don't you hang on and I'll get one out to you on Monday? Then you can make up your own mind.

Wilkey

[Jimmy2]

I think i have to get some of these now thanks guy's:-( :-D .

[strayvector]

»

» Sam, you've got to try one to decide for yourself. Why don't you hang on

» and I'll get one out to you on Monday? Then you can make up your own mind.

»

»

» Wilkey

I appreciate the offer my friend, but its already going to take me half of '08 to smoke all the cigars in my humidor that comes from Wilkeyland. I'll just bug Lisa in the new year for a couple of singles when I have more time to smoke.

[cls515]

If I didn't know better I'd say that pic of Smitty was taken in Austin, TX.

[jkorp]

Great review. These cigars look just incredible. But even more than that, the shirt is killer. Greatest American Hero ? I am amazed at how many people don't remember that show.

[El Presidente]

Trinidad Ingenios Edicion Limitada SEP 2007

Well Smithy popped around yesterday for a cigar on the deck and a nice bottle or two of Pinot Noir. Good to catch up with an old friend who is doing well in his North Queensland building endeavours.

I thought it apt to share a few Trinidad Ingenios to get an impression of what this cigar will become. Smithy is blessed with an excellent palate so there was no better time to assess the initial impressions of this young cigar which was only boxed in September 07.

The cigar certainly looks good and is well rolled. Smell at cold was all pepper spice and rich tobacco. Clipped the pig tailed cap which revealed a perfect draw. Some unique eggplant note on the tongue…prickly…spicy.

Gently warmed the foot before an initial series of draws. Spicy, medium full and not short of a rampage on the palate. Quite a wild and tempestuous opening with white and black pepper, eggplant all rolled around a core of very high quality tobacco. The cigar settles down after the first half inch into a medium bodied profile but can be brought alive with a purge or two through the nose which delivers a great hit of white pepper and a nougat nuance. Very similar to a high performance street car in that it will lope along …a little uncomfortably at normal speed…but a touch of the throttle and it will wildly lurch into a frenzy.

The opening third of the Ingenious was a ride and a half. Being such a young cigar it was untamed and occasionally ruthless. Predominant flavours were white pepper, toasted tobacco, nougat and a prickly note which I can only describe as eggplant. Smithy concurred but described the prickliness as Rocket lettuce in profile. The element we were both trying to describe had a greenness but also a hard edged personality. Where it will develop is any ones guess but I suspect it will disappear before long as it is more than likely an element of youth. It was bloody intriguing and enjoyable.

The second third of the cigar settled down to a medium bodied format more akin to a traditional Trinidad. There were elements of cream and peanuts and very good quality tobacco. The flavours appear a little closed in that there was more there but at this time not able to be teased out. Four to five days dry boxing would help draw those flavours out immeasurably. The peanut element was becoming more evident with continued hints of nougat.

The final third closed down entirely in terms of flavour complexity. Just good solid tobacco flavours in a mid body format. The tasting of this cigar was like watching a “clip” of an upcoming movie. You got to see some great highlights but were left waiting in anticipation for the full movie. I don’t think it will take long to arrive. Within 3-6 months we will see some real development of these cigars and have a much better appreciation of what they are destined to become. I am guessing they will become a very…very good cigar. As to whether they become a “great”….the jury is still out but if it was a colt at the auctions…I would put one in my stable. Come March if they develop like I suspect then I would be seeking some more.

In summary, solid, interesting, undeniable quality and potential. Needs a little time but showing more than the BGM at the same age.