Cigars that go bad........will they turn around?

[Guest cohiba]

My post about H Upmann #2 brought other things to mind. Ive heard various people comment about good sticks tasting bad now and getting worse, will they turn around? Im speaking about HDM Pyramids El's , Epicure especials El, and others as well. Prez has said a few times they are bad right no and seems to be getting worse. No one has given up there thoughts on them coming bad in to their glory. What do you think? I can understand for example Sublimes.....a big smoke, going into a long sick period, but they should all turn around with time. Learning alot about aging and sick periods, would love your thoughts.

Cohiba

[cigardawg]

» My post about H Upmann #2 brought other things to mind. Ive heard various

» people comment about good sticks tasting bad now and getting worse, will

» they turn around? Im speaking about HDM Pyramids El's , Epicure especials

» El, and others as well. Prez has said a few times they are bad right no

» and seems to be getting worse. No one has given up there thoughts on them

» coming bad in to their glory. What do you think? I can understand for

» example Sublimes.....a big smoke, going into a long sick period, but they

» should all turn around with time. Learning alot about aging and sick

» periods, would love your thoughts.

»

» Cohiba

I cannot speak from experience on the cigars listed above. I have not aged any of the HdM ELs, so I don't know if they will turn around or not. I do know that cigars like the HU No. 2 and the Partagas Series D No. 4 do go into "sick" periods, but turn around very nicely. Others do as well, but these are good examples.

[Colt45]

The only cigar you mentioned that I've tried has been the HdM Epicure Especial.

I was not overly impressed, but that's subjective, and probably not really in line

with what you're asking.

To borrow a wine analogy, a wine (or cigar in this case), that's truly flawed from

the beginning, can never really be expected to come around. Whether or not that's

the case with the cigars you mention, I can't say, and probably only time will tell.

Howerver, I would expect your Upmann #2s to come around nicely.

As an example, a year or so ago, I tried my first PSD4 - airy and bland. The next

try, same thing. About a month ago, I decided to give another a go, and finally,

I'm seeing some progress, though there's still a way to go.

[El Presidente]

You have mentioned two cigars that have no history to judge them by.

However, I have had excellent examples of both in their youth. True, the ones I have tried over the past 12 months have gone to seed however I suspect they will turn around into very good cigars....if not greats.

They were absolute crackers when fresh. Just give them time to evolve. I still think the HDM Pirimide will turn into a fuller bodied version of the Padron Anniversario :-)

[shrink]

El Prez: They were absolute crackers when fresh. Just give them time to evolve. I still think the HDM Pirimide will turn into a fuller bodied version of the Padron Anniversario :-)

What do they say about great minds? Here's a quote from my May 05 review of the PAM:

"When the PAM reached its culmination, I savored a wine-like sweetness, which reminded me of a Hoyo Pyramid EL. I had never considered the similarity before." :cool:

[Ken Gargett]

» El Prez: They were absolute crackers when fresh. Just give them time to

» evolve. I still think the HDM Pirimide will turn into a fuller bodied

» version of the Padron Anniversario :-)

»

» What do they say about great minds? Here's a quote from my May 05 review

» of the PAM:

»

» "When the PAM reached its culmination, I savored a wine-like sweetness,

» which reminded me of a Hoyo Pyramid EL. I had never considered the

» similarity before." :cool:

shrink, there are great minds and there are presidents who plagarise.

on a slightly associated thought, there has long been acceptance of the fact that many wines go into a transitional phases - much nicer way of saying sick period - after a year or two in the bottle. we are not seeing the same thing under screwcaps - just a slo0wer and consistent evolution. another reason to go the screw!

[Tampa1257]

OK, then we can say that the cigars might be in an extended "dumb" period? I say that because they should be out of the youthful (ammonia) "sick" period by now.

[Ken Gargett]

» OK, then we can say that the cigars might be in an extended "dumb" period?

» I say that because they should be out of the youthful (ammonia) "sick"

» period by now.

didn't mean we shouldn't necessasrily use the term 'sick', as this is a bit differrent to wine and perhaps more appropriate, but i was just commenting that transitional sounds nicer than sick.

be fair - it is raining here and i have my choice of working, cleaning or playing on the forum. what would you chose?

[El Presidente]

Shrink....Ken accusing anyone else of plagarism is indeed the pot calling the kettle black.

I swear as a wine writer he only has 24 articles which he rehashes for different publications here in OZ.

.....If pushed I will post some of his dribble.....