Gene Hackman RIP

[Ken Gargett]

oh, bite your tongue!! the replacements is one of the great sports movies celebrating the extraordinary achievements of a bunch of no names playing for the skins up against a bundle of future hall of famers playing for the hated cowgirls, as the skins held the picket line - one in, all in, whereas dallas has only ever been about the money (before anyone send hitmen, i give you jerry jones, although we also had a less than stellar period under slimy dan). great fun.

some of those cheerleading scenes had me in tears. the scene in the jail cell when they do "i will survive" breaks me up every time. 

and while i understand gene H getting you through, if Brooke Langdon couldn't do that then i can't help you. 

[riderpride]

15 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

oh, bite your tongue!! the replacements is one of the great sports movies celebrating the extraordinary achievements of a bunch of no names playing for the skins up against a bundle of future hall of famers playing for the hated cowgirls, as the skins held the picket line - one in, all in, whereas dallas has only ever been about the money (before anyone send hitmen, i give you jerry jones, although we also had a less than stellar period under slimy dan). great fun.

some of those cheerleading scenes had me in tears. the scene in the jail cell when they do "i will survive" breaks me up every time. 

and while i understand gene H getting you through, if Brooke Langdon couldn't do that then i can't help you. 

This tongue will not be bitten lol. Yes, it's fantastic for Commanders fans via the Sentinels and maybe Raiders fans with the reference to stickum. No offense to the actual line-crossers, but this movie is a typical Reaves flick (Wick excluded). 'Ted' Theodore Logan playing QB.

Cheers!

[Ken Gargett]

15 hours ago, riderpride said:

This tongue will not be bitten lol. Yes, it's fantastic for Commanders fans via the Sentinels and maybe Raiders fans with the reference to stickum. No offense to the actual line-crossers, but this movie is a typical Reaves flick (Wick excluded). 'Ted' Theodore Logan playing QB.

Cheers!

it is possible that it is a smidge more fun for Washington fans, but that win (the real one), is perhaps the most extraordinary NFL game ever played, when one considers the two teams. 

but sure, typical Hollywood flick. we have the young clean cut redemption story, the massive underdog, a seriously attractive woman, sports, great music and the good guys winning (on two levels - the young QB v the arsehole and the underdog Washington team v dallas). toss in some big name stars and what is not to love. 

[Ken Gargett]

i defy anyone to tell me that they can watch this and not have a big grin on their face. and i reckon that alone is more than you get from the vast majority of movies. 

 

 

[VeguerosMAN]

16 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

I am thinking it's a robbery if it's not carbon poisoning. 

S American pro gangs are robbing throughout the South West.  Probably too much gas to knock them out and they died.  

There were no signs of foul play. There was no heater in the house (so a gas leak is unlikely) The dog was found locked up in the bathroom closet. They found prescribed pills scattered around the wife. Gene was 95 years old. Most likely Gene died of natural causes, and the wife decided to off herself while the dog was locked up in the bathroom. 

Well after seeing this report, I think homicide is in play...

The authorities found the other two dogs roaming in the yard as the two bodies had been mummified for weeks, which means the surviving dogs were roaming around in the yard for weeks as well. Surely, the neighbors could have spotted the dogs (German Shepherds)  in the yard without Gene or his wife for weeks and sparked suspicion... When there are more questions than answers, it usually involves foul play, if I am not mistaken. 

[Habanoschris]

One of my first thoughts was this was some kind of "romantic" death pact. He was dying at home and once he did she went next or they did it simultaneously? But the dog locked in a closet is pretty suspicious and overall, perhaps they would of planned better for their dogs in this case though?  

[VeguerosMAN]

3 hours ago, Habanoschris said:

One of my first thoughts was this was some kind of "romantic" death pact. He was dying at home and once he did she went next or they did it simultaneously? But the dog locked in a closet is pretty suspicious and overall, perhaps they would of planned better for their dogs in this case though? 

The strangest thing is how the other two dogs were able to roam around the yard for weeks and not get noticed by the neighbors. 

[Habanoschris]

3 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

The strangest thing is how the other two dogs were able to roam around the yard for weeks and not get noticed by the neighbors. 

Could depend on if it was in a very private / gated estate ? Could be a neighborhood with lots of second homes / vacation properties  - not always occupied. Just speculating.

[BrightonCorgi]

3 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

The strangest thing is how the other two dogs were able to roam around the yard for weeks and not get noticed by the neighbors. 

The neighbors were used to seeing the dogs outside in good weather, so nothing unusual about that.

[VeguerosMAN]

3 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

The neighbors were used to seeing the dogs outside in good weather, so nothing unusual about that.

But for weeks? I would imagine the dogs outside seek for help. 

[Ken Gargett]

14 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

But for weeks? I would imagine the dogs outside seek for help. 

reports from his pacemaker suggest he died nine days ago. what i find odd is that if the pacemaker stopped working, why the hell was he not checked immediately? if my mum's pacemaker has a hiccup, the docs are very quick to check. these muppets did nothing. the guy was 95 and clearly very frail. the odds are extremely high that this was a natural death or at worst, he wanted to go and the wife assisted.

as for the wife, they were together 30 years. perhaps she just decided it was time for her to go as well now that he was gone. open bottle of pills near her would suggest this.

the dog inside? you'd have to think that someone about to top themselves is perhaps not thinking as clearly as they might and who knows, perhaps the dog had been put there before this happened and she did not think about it. no expert but i doubt that someone about to top themselves goes around to check the pets are fed. 

the dogs outside, obviously had access to water. who knows if food or if they could catch something but at the very least, chew on some grass if nothing else. with water, they'd be able to manage 9 days. 

and if my neighbours' dogs were running around in their yard for a year, it would never occur to me that there was a problem. german shepherds are hardly little lap dogs. surely they would usually be outside. and very likely they slept outside. as for seeking help, from? i know hackman was a movie star but these dogs were not lassie. not as though they could run off and drag someone down to the trouble at the old mill. 

15 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

The neighbors were used to seeing the dogs outside in good weather, so nothing unusual about that.

agree with this. i reckon neighbours might have been more concerned if they did not see the dogs than seeing them outside. 

[Chibearsv]

20 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

these dogs were not lassie. not as though they could run off and drag someone down to the trouble at the old mill.

Every time my dog barks at me for her dinner I always ask her if there’s trouble at the mill.  😂

[Ken Gargett]

7 minutes ago, Chibearsv said:

Every time my dog barks at me for her dinner I always ask her if there’s trouble at the mill.  😂

perhaps Gene forgot his lines. 

[VeguerosMAN]

24 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

agree with this. i reckon neighbours might have been more concerned if they did not see the dogs than seeing them outside. 

But if there were multiple neighbors around the property, I would imagine at some point the dogs would be too hungry and go to the neighbors for food. 

[Ken Gargett]

3 minutes ago, VeguerosMAN said:

But if there were multiple neighbors around the property, I would imagine at some point the dogs would be too hungry and go to the neighbors for food. 

possible but without knowing more, hard to know. hackman would not have been struggling, one assumes, so a large property? a fenced property? if you have german shepherds, you don't let them roam the neighbourhood so i would imagine that they were fenced in and not going near the neighbours. if i had neighbours with german shepherds, i am really not happy if they are able to just wander into my place. the neighbours may not have got on and ignored the place. they may have been away. who knows? german shepherds tend to act as a form of security. they may have kept the neighbours away. 

[JohnS]

I just saw a new report tonight, on local television, which ruled out carbon monoxide poisoning.

[Vetteman]

Sad for multiple reasons. For me, one is being 95 and dead for 9 days before anyone checks on you. It’s possible they were isolated from friends and family by choice, but either way I find it a bit disturbing

[VeguerosMAN]

4 hours ago, JohnS said:

I just saw a new report tonight, on local television, which ruled out carbon monoxide poisoning.

They didn't have a heater, so I thought carbon monoxide poisoning was ruled out in the beginning of the investigation.

[SigmundChurchill]

7 hours ago, JohnS said:

I just saw a new report tonight, on local television, which ruled out carbon monoxide poisoning.

I'm not sure it is completely ruled out.  Pacemaker data shows he may have been dead for 9 days, and most evidence of a carbon monoxide death would be gone in that amount of time.  

Edit:  I just read the report, and the coroner did rule it out.  I'm just not sure how.

[Namisgr11]

21 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

reports from his pacemaker suggest he died nine days ago. what i find odd is that if the pacemaker stopped working, why the hell was he not checked immediately? if my mum's pacemaker has a hiccup, the docs are very quick to check. 

I suspect that Hackman's pacemaker, programmed to turn on in response to a particular heart arrhythmia or bradycardia (slow heart rate), no longer came on after he died. Hence it's last recorded activity being on Feb. 17.

[VeguerosMAN]

There are more questions than answers at this point. Most likely there was "foul play".

[Namisgr11]

47 minutes ago, VeguerosMAN said:

There are more questions than answers at this point.  Most likely there was "foul play".

No sign of it, according to local authorities and as noted already above.

[VeguerosMAN]

46 minutes ago, Namisgr11 said:

No sign of it, according to local authorities and as noted already above.

Recently?  Initially, they ruled out Foul Play but I thought it was back in the picture.

21 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

reports from his pacemaker suggest he died nine days ago. what i find odd is that if the pacemaker stopped working, why the hell was he not checked immediately? if my mum's pacemaker has a hiccup, the docs are very quick to check. these muppets did nothing. the guy was 95 and clearly very frail. the odds are extremely high that this was a natural death or at worst, he wanted to go and the wife assisted.

as for the wife, they were together 30 years. perhaps she just decided it was time for her to go as well now that he was gone. open bottle of pills near her would suggest this.

the dog inside? you'd have to think that someone about to top themselves is perhaps not thinking as clearly as they might and who knows, perhaps the dog had been put there before this happened and she did not think about it. no expert but i doubt that someone about to top themselves goes around to check the pets are fed. 

the dogs outside, obviously had access to water. who knows if food or if they could catch something but at the very least, chew on some grass if nothing else. with water, they'd be able to manage 9 days. 

and if my neighbours' dogs were running around in their yard for a year, it would never occur to me that there was a problem. german shepherds are hardly little lap dogs. surely they would usually be outside. and very likely they slept outside. as for seeking help, from? i know hackman was a movie star but these dogs were not lassie. not as though they could run off and drag someone down to the trouble at the old mill. 

agree with this. i reckon neighbours might have been more concerned if they did not see the dogs than seeing them outside. 

Aren't pacemakers linked to the ER?  If the device stops working doesn't the hospital know right away that something is off and send people over to check on the patient?  If they haven't done it for 9 days, then someone at the hospital screwed this up or was trying to hide the bodies. 

[SigmundChurchill]

16 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

Recently?  Initially, they ruled out Foul Play but I thought it was back in the picture.

Aren't pacemakers linked to the ER?  If the device stops working doesn't the hospital know right away that something is off and send people over to check on the patient?  If they haven't done it for 9 days, then someone at the hospital screwed this up or was trying to hide the bodies. 

The device doesn't stop working. The pacemaker senses when the heart beats slower than a certain pre-programmed threshold, and then is sends electrical impulses to the heart to keep it beating above that threshold. BUT, it would have detected the heart slowing down below that threshold, and that was likely the "event" that was detected on the 17th. But for all we know, his heart dipped below that threshold daily, or even hourly. After all, it is the reason he had a pacemaker. So, it wouldn't necessarily be something to check on. Once the heart tissue dies, the pacemaker keeps sending impulses to the dead heart muscle until someone turns it off.

[Ken Gargett]

15 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said:

The device doesn't stop working. The pacemaker senses when the heart beats slower than a certain pre-programmed threshold, and then is sends electrical impulses to the heart to keep it beating above that threshold. BUT, it would have detected the heart slowing down below that threshold, and that was likely the "event" that was detected on the 17th. But for all we know, his heart dipped below that threshold daily, or even hourly. After all, it is the reason he had a pacemaker. So, it wouldn't necessarily be something to check on. Once the heart tissue dies, the pacemaker keeps sending impulses to the dead heart muscle until someone turns it off.

thanks. seems a little different in operation over here. when mum had a small episode, we were contacted immediately (ish). it seems that here, as well as sending the impulses to the heart, it sends info back to the hospital.

16 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said:

Recently?  Initially, they ruled out Foul Play but I thought it was back in the picture.

Aren't pacemakers linked to the ER?  If the device stops working doesn't the hospital know right away that something is off and send people over to check on the patient?  If they haven't done it for 9 days, then someone at the hospital screwed this up or was trying to hide the bodies. 

agree re the pacemaker.

why would anyone think that someone was trying to hide the bodies? they were in their home. not a particularly successful attempt if they were.

i wonder if we have different definitions of foul play? do you consider suicide foul play? for me, hackman, at 95, either passed away naturally or was in such a state that his wife assisted suicide (perhaps he did it himself). the wife then seems to have taken the pills. beyond that, as far as i can see, absolutely no evidence of any foul play. there have been zero reports of break-ins, of theft, of damage. 

i guess we will probably find out more but for the moment, seems a sad end to a great actor but not a particularly nefarious one.