BrightonCorgi Posted March 2 Posted March 2 13 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: i wonder if we have different definitions of foul play? do you consider suicide foul play? Police use 'suspicious' in order to get a search warrant. It now sounds like he died naturally, and she may've had an accident in responding to him that killed her. 1
JohnS Posted March 2 Posted March 2 7 minutes ago, BrightonCorgi said: Police use 'suspicious' in order to get a search warrant. It now sounds like he died naturally, and she may've had an accident in responding to him that killed her. Most plausible theory, as things stand, I would agree.
SigmundChurchill Posted March 2 Posted March 2 19 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: thanks. seems a little different in operation over here. when mum had a small episode, we were contacted immediately (ish). it seems that here, as well as sending the impulses to the heart, it sends info back to the hospital. It does here as well, but it differentiates between the type of "event". Someone with, say, a heart block who's heart often triggers the pacemaker to kick into gear, is not going to set off any alarms when the pacemaker is triggered to kick into gear, which is what happened here. If that were the case, they would be calling these people all day long, every day. On the other hand, if there was some sort of pacemaker malfunction, or an event that is unusual to the patient, or the battery died, or something like that, it will send a signal that gets a response from the hospital. 1
VeguerosMAN Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 hours ago, SigmundChurchill said: It does here as well, but it differentiates between the type of "event". Someone with, say, a heart block who's heart often triggers the pacemaker to kick into gear, is not going to set off any alarms when the pacemaker is triggered to kick into gear, which is what happened here. If that were the case, they would be calling these people all day long, every day. On the other hand, if there was some sort of pacemaker malfunction, or an event that is unusual to the patient, or the battery died, or something like that, it will send a signal that gets a response from the hospital. I still think 9 days is a bit too long for the hospital to not notice anything "weird". Other than that, I think the original theory is probably what happened in the house - Gene died of natural causes and the wife panicked and decided to off herself and didn't know the dog was in the bathroom locked. 1
Ken Gargett Posted March 2 Author Posted March 2 6 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said: I still think 9 days is a bit too long for the hospital to not notice anything "weird". Other than that, I think the original theory is probably what happened in the house - Gene died of natural causes and the wife panicked and decided to off herself and didn't know the dog was in the bathroom locked. i agree with this. possibly she had an accident in trying to respond but i think the topping more likely. whatever happened, all very sad.
MrBirdman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 On 2/28/2025 at 6:22 PM, Ken Gargett said: put there before this happened and she did not think about it. no expert but i doubt that someone about to top themselves goes around to check the pets are fed She may also have just underestimated how long she had before the pills knocked her out, if she did indeed decide to end her life. All very sad. But none of the pills they mentioned removing from the scene would be what someone normally reaches for in that situation (thyroid, blood pressure, Tylenol). They can all kill you, but so far they haven’t suggested any sedatives etc. They’ll know once the tox reports come back. 1
VeguerosMAN Posted March 3 Posted March 3 9 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: i agree with this. possibly she had an accident in trying to respond but i think the topping more likely. whatever happened, all very sad. Also, the whole mummification of the bodies was strange. What does it mean by the term mummification? The first image that came to my mind when I read that was the movie "The Mummy".
Habanoschris Posted March 3 Posted March 3 7 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said: Also, the whole mummification of the bodies was strange. What does it mean by the term mummification? The first image that came to my mind when I read that was the movie "The Mummy". I think it's just a term for when bodies dry out and calcify rather than decompose / the dry climate there aids in this process. It's not that they were wrapped in white gauze bandage from head to toe. 🙂 1
Ford2112 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 19 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said: What does it mean by the term mummification? 1
Ford2112 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Gene Hackman was great in everything he ever did. Loved him as little Bill in Unforgiven, in Mississippi Burning, and that scene as the blind man in Young Frankenstein 🤣 2
Boss Hog Posted March 3 Posted March 3 51 minutes ago, Ford2112 said: Gene Hackman was great in everything he ever did. Agree. His role in Extreme Measures was one that is often overlooked. 1
MrBirdman Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Hackman had a completely unique screen presence - equally the quintessential leading-man and your run-of-the-mill building trades foreman. Pretty incredible. A few days before the news hit I was rewatching the original Superman (after seeing the 2024 Christopher Reeve documentary, an absolute must see if you have Max). Luthor’s portrayal in the script is pretty ridiculous, and yet Hackman pulled it off seemingly effortlessly. 2
joeypots Posted March 4 Posted March 4 He was a giant, of course. Here's an article in today's Boston Globe about Hoosiers'. Hackman was perfect in this role. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/03/04/sports/tara-sullivan-hoosiers-sports-movies/ 1
helix Posted March 5 Posted March 5 One my favorites. We are losing a lot of the greats, sadly. R.I.P. 1
VeguerosMAN Posted March 7 Posted March 7 According to reports, Gene died of Alzheimer's and cardiovascular disease, and the wife died of hantavirus (never heard of it) a week before Gene. So looks like the wife didn't top herself, but very very strange indeed. 1
JohnS Posted March 7 Posted March 7 I must say, the conclusion that Gene Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa, died of a rare virus spread by rodents is incredible. Furthermore is the fact that Gene Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease and was probably not aware of his wife's death. https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/investigation-update-gene-hackman-death-03-07-25/index.html 1 1
VeguerosMAN Posted March 7 Posted March 7 So I learned that Hantavirus comes from rats. I guess the police now must look at whether the house was contaminated by rats.
riderpride Posted March 7 Posted March 7 Deer mice are bad for it. I worked for a Telco through summers in university. If we saw evidence of mice during hookups, we'd have to get a pressure washer and clean up everything with the hazmat suit on. Cases are rare but the company took no chances. Cheers
MrBirdman Posted March 7 Posted March 7 1 hour ago, JohnS said: I must say, the conclusion that Gene Hackman's wife, Betsy Arakawa, died of a rare virus spread by rodents is incredible. Furthermore is the fact that Gene Hackman had advanced Alzheimer's disease and was probably not aware of his wife's death. https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/investigation-update-gene-hackman-death-03-07-25/index.html Yes it’s incredibly tragic. I had heard of hantavirus but it’s pretty rare in developed countries. I can understand being hesitant to go to the hospital when you have a spouse who has dementia. Honestly it’s admirable she cared for him entirely on her own, which I presume is the case since he wasn’t checked on for that week. I don’t care who you are, it’s a lot and a testament to their love for each other. Rest in peace. 3
TacoSauce Posted March 8 Posted March 8 4 hours ago, riderpride said: I worked for a Telco through summers in university. If we saw evidence of mice during hookups, we'd have to get a pressure washer and clean up everything with the hazmat suit on. Ah yes, fond memories of summer hookups while in university. I can't recall them ever requiring a hazmat suit and pressure washer though. I consider myself lucky! 1 3
riderpride Posted March 8 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, TacoSauce said: Ah yes, fond memories of summer hookups while in university. I can't recall them ever requiring a hazmat suit and pressure washer though. I consider myself lucky! Shampoo with a little comb and some penicillin?? 1
CaptainQuintero Posted March 8 Posted March 8 It's not as rare as I thought previously, I had a friend who died from exposure a few years ago too. He had lifted a grey water drain grate to check for blockages, his friend opted for a mask and he didn't. The masked friends was fine. 2
VeguerosMAN Posted March 8 Posted March 8 How did the dog end up in the bathroom closet left alone all that time to die? Gene must have heard the barking since he died a week after the wife. Very, very strange story. The wife must have been around rats in the mansion to die from hantavirus, even that is extremely rare and strange. So Gene didn't recognize that his wife was dead and didn't have one lucid moment for a week to realize that there was a dead body on the floor even though the report said he was in an advanced Alzheimers phase. Was Gene able to feed himself?
JohnS Posted March 9 Posted March 9 13 hours ago, VeguerosMAN said: Was Gene able to feed himself? No. The investigators said that he had no food in his body in the time between his death and his wife's death, but he was not dehydrated. Somehow, he must of had the sense to drink water at least until his heart gave out. 2
Habanoschris Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I think I read the dog was in a crate, not a closet, though both were reported.
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