Not usually one for conspiracy...but!...Bayesian superyacht...tragedy?...or?

[99call]

Soooooooo...

Two successful fraud co-defendants, involved with government security services and a company called 'Darktrace'. 

Steven Chamberlain, apparently accidently ran over whilst on a run, by a middle aged lady (who has still not been named) died of severe head trauma.

Within the same week. 

Mick Lynch drowned to death in the one of the cabins of the 'Bayesian' superyacht. There is an current inquest over the cause of death, of Mick Lynch's daughter and others found in the yacht (potentially not drowning). 

Apparently there were two hyper-encrypted hard drives in a safe on the yacht, with the suggestion they needed to be secured from Chinese/Russian capture etc. 

The story is being covered in the news...but I am amazed nobody is outwardly suggesting these two guys have been clipped. 

I'm I going mad???? Or does everyone else think these guys have been offed by professionals?

[Corylax18]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

Or does everyone else think these guys have been offed by professionals?

It was the same people who took out Epstein. 

[99call]

7 minutes ago, Corylax18 said:

It was the same people who took out Epstein. 

 

[ha_banos]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

Soooooooo...

Two successful fraud co-defendants, involved with government security services and a company called 'Darktrace'. 

Steven Chamberlain, apparently accidently ran over whilst on a run, by a middle aged lady (who has still not been named) died of severe head trauma.

Within the same week. 

Mick Lynch drowned to death in the one of the cabins of the 'Bayesian' superyacht. There is an current inquest over the cause of death, of Mick Lynch's daughter and others found in the yacht (potentially not drowning). 

Apparently there were two hyper-encrypted hard drives in a safe on the yacht, with the suggestion they needed to be secured from Chinese/Russian capture etc. 

The story is being covered in the news...but I am amazed nobody is outwardly suggesting these two guys have been clipped. 

I'm I going mad???? Or does everyone else think these guys have been offed by professionals?

I noticed that connection of the two people. It set my theories running. I was told to put on my foil hat. I had no idea about the hard drives! That's adds a whole new level!

[99call]

40 minutes ago, ha_banos said:

I was told to put on my foil hat. I had no idea about the hard drives! That's adds a whole new level!

Apparently the yacht company that made the Beyesian want to sue the Lynch estate, as the sinking has damaged confidence in their company. They are adamant that it would have been impossible for the craft to sink if certain storm shutters were in the correct position. I know nothing about boats, but that part definitely sounds highly suspect. 

[Arabian]

[MrBirdman]

Could just be that God exists, the jury got it wrong, and this was simply the almighty tying up loose ends. No conspiracy required!

I feel bad for his defense attorney who was on the boat - incredible lawyer, Lynch was almost certainly guilty. 

[99call]

5 hours ago, MrBirdman said:

Could just be that God exists, the jury got it wrong, and this was simply the almighty tying up loose ends. No conspiracy required!

I feel bad for his defense attorney who was on the boat - incredible lawyer, Lynch was almost certainly guilty. 

If God is taking care of justice, I can think of a long line of people whom are much higher up this list than fraudsters.

As much as I hate white collar crime, death is a bit harsh. 

[MrBirdman]

6 hours ago, 99call said:

If God is taking care of justice, I can think of a long line of people whom are much higher up this list than fraudsters.

As much as I hate white collar crime, death is a bit harsh. 

I was being facetious.

[BrightonCorgi]

I am open to conspiracies, but I don't think their deaths were a cover up. The weather and incompetence of the boat crew lead to the boat sinking. There would have to be so many moving parts all in sync. Would be easy enough to eliminate Lynch via some other way.

On a personal note, I am user/developer of Autonomy for 15 years.

[99call]

1 hour ago, BrightonCorgi said:

I am open to conspiracies, but I don't think their deaths were a cover up. The weather and incompetence of the boat crew lead to the boat sinking. There would have to be so many moving parts all in sync. Would be easy enough to eliminate Lynch via some other way.

On a personal note, I am user/developer of Autonomy for 15 years.

Do you think it odd that his fellow defendant was knocked over and killed within the same week, and not a single news outlet has even suggested the events could even be considered as suspicious in anyway shape or form? To me that is just mind blowing. 

With the wealth of the client, surely the staff would have been the best money could buy. Why did so many of the staff survive? (Bar the chef who died.) It would be easy to do, if the staff had been gotten to, and were involved, even if unwillingly, i.e. threats to their families etc. 

To me it absolutely stinks to high heaven. 

[BrightonCorgi]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

Do you think it odd that his fellow defendant was knocked over and killed within the same week, and not a single news outlet has even suggested the events could even be considered as suspicious in anyway shape or form? To me that is just mind blowing. 

With the wealth of the client, surely the staff would have been the best money could buy. Why did so many of the staff survive? (Bar the chef who died.) It would be easy to do, if the staff had been gotten to, and were involved, even if unwillingly, i.e. threats to their families etc. 

To me it absolutely stinks to high heaven.  

The coincidences are not lost on me. It should be treated as suspicious. Would be a lot more fascinating if it were a conspiracy. 

Rich people problems. 

[99call]

Another suspicious factor is apparently Stephen Chamberlain was killed over the brow of a humpback bridge crossing the road whilst running (like nobody would ever do). Hence the 49 Year old lady will be guilty of nothing, not named, and will walk free. 

 

[Fugu]

On 10/4/2024 at 10:48 PM, 99call said:

The story is being covered in the news...but I am amazed nobody is outwardly suggesting these two guys have been clipped.

Well, running over someone by car with the intention of killing him, ok, has been done before. But you wonder why the driver then remained on site, waiting for the police to show up… But now ask yourself this: How could someone with “certain interests” 1. foresee time and place of, and then 2. build in such a (locally small-scale) storm event into 3. the effectual sinking of a vessel, and 4. eventually be founding the consequential assassination of a person on all this? Ockham’s razor, people, Ockham’s razor!

Some may call it karma, I'd say sometimes shit happens.

[99call]

2 hours ago, Fugu said:

1. foresee time and place of, and then 2. build in such a (locally small-scale) storm event into 3. the effectual sinking of a vessel, and 4. eventually be founding the consequential assassination of a person on all this?

1, He was a runner, and apparently had a daily route. i.e. not too hard to know where he was going to be and where. You are assuming he was actually running and conscious when knocked over.   

2 & 3 The storm, could of just been a happy coincidence for whomever was involved. Apparently the boat sank within 1 minute, I just don't it being able to take on that much water, that close to land. in that space of time. 

4, don't understand 4. 

Listen I'm obviously completely open to it being Occam's razor, and just uncanny coincidence. My point is not necessarily do I believe it...rather, I am absolutely gobsmacked that the international media seemingly have no interest in asking any probing questions. 

[Nevrknow]

Come on guys. Governments do not secretly "take out" individuals who may or may not have evidence of a wrong doing. 🤔😉

 

 

 

And Epstein didn't kill himself. 👍🤙

[JohnS]

For those of us following this thread that would like some context, feel free to peruse the CNN articles below...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/20/europe/bayesian-yacht-what-we-know-intl/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/uk/stephen-chamberlain-mike-lynch-co-defendant-dies-car-intl-latam

[MrBirdman]

4 hours ago, 99call said:

Apparently the boat sank within 1 minute, I just don't it being able to take on that much water, that close to land. in that space of time. 

I don’t think anyone has said it completely sank in only a minute - just that it probably capsized that quickly, which isn’t hard to believe. Once a ship’s attitude is upset enough that the deck is submerged, if there are open hatches it will flood fast enough that no one could actually escape. Consider that once the water reached Titanic’s boat deck the ship completely sank within 20 minutes, and that ship was nearly 900 feet long.

In any case, that is one hell of a happy coincidence and any sabotage would be easy to detect forensically. Unless the Italians are in on it too!

[Fugu]

12 hours ago, 99call said:

Listen I'm obviously completely open to it being Occam's razor, and just uncanny coincidence. My point is not necessarily do I believe it...rather, I am absolutely gobsmacked that the international media seemingly have no interest in asking any probing questions.

I think they did (some did), but they may have come quickly to the conclusion that the current facts will refer such more to the realm of conspiracy than reality.
 

12 hours ago, 99call said:

Apparently the boat sank within 1 minute, I just don't it being able to take on that much water, that close to land. in that space of time.

There’s situations where it could (it sank within about 10-15 min, depending on when you define the start. Which still is rapid indeed). No ship is ‘unsinkable’. In the end, it’s all a matter of conditions, proper operation and probabilities.

Just some points to consider:

Occurance of a not foresawn heavy downburst or tornado/waterspout
Extreme, perhaps non-directional wind forces
Special yacht construction with one of the world’s tallest masts (sloop design instead of two masts, the more usual rig for ships of such size)
Retractable keel possibly / likely not lowered
Possible water entrance and flooding through ventilation ducts when heeled over 40-45 degrees
Once such a ship enters into 90 degrees it tends to lose buoyancy rapidly on water ingress, due to its very heavy balasted keels (compared e.g. to a normal motor yacht).

There may also have some level of hubris been involved in the sinking of a yacht that bore the lable 'unsinkable' (--> Titanic).

That is my simple heuristic analysis of the facts so far available to me. Sure, the simultaneous forced passing of those two men is a huge coincidence. But I’d rather not speculate any further since respect for the people that died and their families demands it to wait for the outcome of the investigations.

 

[ha_banos]

I think we need a timeline of relevant history, events, evolving facts and the headlines along side...

[99call]

Interesting video showing the hull doors in a shut position 14 minutes before the sinking. 

 

[99call]

Interesting if you watch this footage and the light at the top of the mast. If never rocks violently rather stays very calm and perfectly upright. 

 

[Shakey]

One important note on this is that Lynch only won the US criminal case brought by the SEC. HP previously brought a UK civil case against Lynch and won. 

[99call]

2 hours ago, Shakey said:

One important note on this is that Lynch only won the US criminal case brought by the SEC. HP previously brought a UK civil case against Lynch and won. 

Interesting. In what way does this have pertinence? Genuinely asking. 

My main thought as to why they were potentially gotten rid of is due to state secrets. Nothing to do with the court cases.

[Shakey]

5 hours ago, 99call said:

Interesting. In what way does this have pertinence? Genuinely asking. 

My main thought as to why they were potentially gotten rid of is due to state secrets. Nothing to do with the court cases.

One theory was "HP wanted them dead because they won the case" - which is backwards. HP wanted them alive to pay the civil judgment. Lynch was an investor at Darktrace, he was not in management there and certainly not a line-level employee who would be directly handling client data. The company is also wildly regarded to be second tier in terms of talent and abilities. The idea that he would have access to any secrets as a non-employee investor of DT, and that he'd have that secret data on his holiday yacht, is laughable.