What are the chances? OBSEQUIOS

[El Presidente]

Now, the platform on which these are listed on is notorious for fakes. 

Still....not everything is....surely  

Your thoughts 

 

OLD CIGAR BOX WITH COMPLETE HOYO DE MONTERREY OBSEQUIOS BY JOSE GENER 

Starting price: €400.00

 

 

[NSXCIGAR]

Hate to say it but that might just be the real deal. 

[El Presidente]

For balance

 

This is one of the other offerings today. Hence why one must tread carefully  

 

COHIBA CUBAN CIGAR PUROS HABANOS ESPLÉNDIDOS CAJA LA HABANA CUBA

Precio de salida: 115,00 €

 

[Jimmy2]

I guess the only way to tell is to smoke one ..

[Jaks93]

Looks pretty legit to me 👍

[JohnS]

2 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Hate to say it but that might just be the real deal. 

Certainly. It's very hard to fake aged cigars like that.

[Tunkat92]

If they are fake…someone put some serious effort into that forgery.

[Bijan]

Begs the question why list on a website that sells fakes rather than Bond Roberts or another legitimate platform?

The box is most likely real. But the cigars? Not sure.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, Bijan said:

Begs the question why list on a website that sells fakes rather than Bond Roberts or another legitimate platform?

Now whoever buys it has a real problem. Provenance is that particular site! 

Personally I might buy it to fill out my collection but wouldn't expect them to smoke well or be resold. 

[Li Bai]

4 hours ago, Tunkat92 said:

If they are fake…someone put some serious effort into that forgery.

Agreed, must be legit.

Some bands material again for ATGroom 😉

 

[99call]

8 hours ago, El Presidente said:

For balance

 

This is one of the other offerings today. Hence why one must tread carefully  

These guys mixing real and fake stuff up seems to be an established technique to promote confidence. I.e a low value bot or real Cano's sold with a collection of high value fake Cohibas.    

[NSXCIGAR]

47 minutes ago, Li Bai said:

Some bands material again for ATGroom

The Obsequios are quite rare so I had to look for any other examples. These two boxes sold at an MO auction and do have the bands pictured in CCW. https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=4608

https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=14247

This other box from our favorite site has bands similar to the OP box: 

I can't find any more examples without doing some deep digging so it looks like these four boxes represent all the boxes that have ever surfaced. Two with standard band B and two with the special bands. 

[NSXCIGAR]

7 minutes ago, 99call said:

These guys mixing real and fake stuff up seems to be an established technique to promote confidence. I.e a low value bot or real Cano's sold with a collection of high value fake Cohibas.    

I think it's just that that site is a repository for all manner of garbage and occasionally a genuine box might pop up. Most people wouldn't know that 99% of the cigars there are questionable to say the least. Someone's uncle dies and they have a box they want to put online. They may not want to deal with a serious site like BR and English is probably not their first language. Or maybe they did try BR and the box was rejected. 

[99call]

On 7/18/2024 at 4:59 PM, NSXCIGAR said:

I think it's just that that site is a repository for all manner of garbage and occasionally a genuine box might pop up. Most people wouldn't know that 99% of the cigars there are questionable to say the least. Someone's uncle dies and they have a box they want to put online. They may not want to deal with a serious site like BR and English is probably not their first language. Or maybe they did try BR and the box was rejected. 

I've observed the site for many years, there are 100% sellers on there that have been busted many times, and I've observed how they have altered the way they sell. There are some people clearing out their grandads genuine possession for sure. But there are about 10 to 20 long term sellers on there who 100% know they are selling refilled vintage boxes, fakes you name it. 

[NSXCIGAR]

On 7/18/2024 at 5:11 PM, 99call said:

I've observed the site for many years, there are 100% sellers on there that have been busted many times, and I've observed how they have altered the way they sell. There are some people clearing out their grandads genuine possession for sure. But there are about 10 to 20 long term sellers on there who 100% know they are selling refilled vintage boxes, fakes you name it. 

They surely weren't busted by the site. Clearly they aren't interested in policing anything. No doubt 99% of everything on there is garbage and the same sellers are the culprits. But that 1% still surfaces from time to time. 

[99call]

On 7/18/2024 at 5:19 PM, NSXCIGAR said:

They surely weren't busted by the site

They were busted on that site, because I contacted the moderators to have stuff removed, many many years ago. To clarify there are many legit boxes on Todo, and I would say this box of Obsequios is 100% one of them. Everything about them passes the sniff test. 

Were debating a different point now, whether Todo cares or not? (which they don't), and whether there is a hardcore of organised dodgy sellers using all sorts of techniques to pass on fakes and refilled boxes (which there is).