New Tobacco Brand in Cuba


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On 12/9/2023 at 11:06 PM, Corylax18 said:

The really interesting part is that I see no mention of either Tabacuba or Habanos S.A.

Got lost in translation: La Empresa de Acopio, Beneficio y Torcido de Tabaco is in fact Tabacuba. (and it’s not a new brand of ‘tobacco’, it’s a new cigar brand, for that matter).

Looks like they are reviving a similar idea they were originally aiming for with Vegueros. Apparently, they are mainly targeting the local market for the time being, not for exporting.

Edit: Could be a move to keep HSA out of that business, keeping all revenue for Cuba. While at the same time have something of quality, above the domestic level, to cater to hotels and restaurants as they mention. Just a thought.

 

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1 hour ago, Fugu said:

Edit: Could be a move to keep HSA out of that business, keeping all revenue for Cuba. While at the same time have something of quality, above the domestic level, to cater to hotels and restaurants as they mention. Just a thought.

Interesting theory. 

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9 hours ago, Fugu said:

Got lost in translation: La Empresa de Acopio, Beneficio y Torcido de Tabaco is in fact Tabacuba. (and it’s not a new brand of tobacco, it’s a new cigar brand, for that matter).

Looks like they are reviving a similar idea they were originally aiming for with Vegueros. Apparently, they are mainly targeting the local market for the time being, not for exporting.

Edit: Could be a move to keep HSA out of that business, keeping all revenue for Cuba. While at the same time have something of quality, above the domestic level, to cater to hotels and restaurants as they mention. Just a thought.

 

This would suggest a rift between the government and HSA?

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Not necessarily. Half of HSA is the Cuban gov. Could very well be a beneficial mutual agreement (likely to be). Just speculating here: Initially, HSA didn’t have any cards in product that had been sold on the island. Today, they are the exporting and the international marketing entity, including Cuba, sans domestic (still more than enough to be had in it for them). With the new global pricing scheme, perhaps Cuba wanted to get back a bit more to that direct local marketing for itself, wanted a bit more freedom for their home market? But then they are forced to find new product / new branding for that, whereby strictly avoiding to cannibalise on current premium export product and its (limited) production capacities (if you read between the lines...). That’s likely why using a domestic-cigar factory and introducing the new tripa larga production there. Which would then go only at the expense of domestic cigars’ production (but very likely they don’t need the full former capacity there anymore anyway...). That’s raising added value with existing resources!

Otherwise, all that wouldn’t make much sense to me. It’s not as if Cubatabaco hadn’t got enough brands. They are having a hard time already defending all their current, existing trademarks (read LGC, Diplo, ERDM, SLR etc) with their limited production.

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14 hours ago, Fugu said:

Got lost in translation: La Empresa de Acopio, Beneficio y Torcido de Tabaco is in fact Tabacuba. (and it’s not a new brand of tobacco, it’s a new cigar brand, for that matter).

Looks like they are reviving a similar idea they were originally aiming for with Vegueros. Apparently, they are mainly targeting the local market for the time being, not for exporting.

Edit: Could be a move to keep HSA out of that business, keeping all revenue for Cuba. While at the same time have something of quality, above the domestic level, to cater to hotels and restaurants as they mention. Just a thought.

 

Ah. Yeah, I stopped after that second word in that word salad. Haha

I was thinking along a similar line in terms of cutting HSA out of the pie, it makes even more sense now that I know Tabacuba is involved. These do seem to fall into a middle ground between export grade and domestic cigars. It will be very interesting to see where they're priced. Like I said above, if I get any more info from the ground I'll make sure to share it here. 

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5 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Like I said above, if I get any more info from the ground I'll make sure to share it here. 

Would indeed be great to learn more about details! Could mean a basically new product category and policy. May be you’ll even have a chance to track them down on one of your next visits. 👍

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1 hour ago, LordAnubis said:

Just a new Belinda or Troya isn’t it? Apart from the tuna, I like the simplicity of the bands   

These should be a step (or two) above Belinda and Troya. Both are machine made, short filler cigars, this new brand is reportedly Hand made and long filler. In my experience, I would pick a domestic cigar over either of them, regardless of the price. I've found the Belinda's especially to be metallic and acrid. The Domestic/Peso cigars I've tried have all been pretty agreeable, not spectacular, but also not off putting in any way. 

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