RAMÓN ALLONES NOELLAS ARRIVES IN ITALY

[El Presidente]

 

From Patrick at HalfWheel 

https://halfwheel.com/ramon-allones-noellas-arrives-in-italy/414096/

 

SEPTEMBER 20, 2022 PATRICK LAGREID NEWS

RAMÓN ALLONES NOELLAS ARRIVES IN ITALY

There is a new Edición Regional on store shelves in Italy today, the Ramón Allones Noellas, which is being released in celebration of the 20th anniversary of the distributor, Diadema S.p.A.

The cigar is a corona vitola that measures 5 1/5 inches (132mm) long with a 42 ring gauge. It comes packaged in decorative glass jars of 25 cigars, with production limited to 4,500 individually numbered jars. That makes for a total run of 112,500 cigars, with pricing set at €20 ($20.01) per cigar and €500 ($500.38) per jar.

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[BrightonCorgi]

A must buy!

[Doctorossi]

The price is about right... for a cab of coronas, putting this right in the middle of "want it, but not going to buy it" territory for me.

[joeypots]

Can I get the cigars without the jar?

[Fugu]

A release I had been looking forward to. But a bit shocked by the pricing. ER-Italy releases have always been quite attractively priced (jeez, Mantua for twelve bucks a piece...). This one - not so much. ☹️

[BellevilleMXZ]

Ouch on the price!! I think I only paid 160 US for the HU jar i bought 3 years ago in Cuba?? Guys at work always call me fancy, for smokin Cubans, that seems to be getting close to the truth!😲

[Tstew75]

The pricing on these lil boogers...hard pass

[Mr. Japan]

At moment  they have been delivering few jars to major shops LCDH  and Specialist, a kind of first pre-sale. We are all waiting that the bulk will be out.

[99call]

interesting that the promo shade on these cigars looks similar to the shade on the UK Private Stock 230 i.e.  quite a lot lighter than other RA releases, will be interesting to see if the blend of these two releases taste similar. 

[Puros Y Vino]

Saw one today. 500E in the shop

[MPS]

Another gorgeous Ramón Allones I need 

[Chibearsv]

24 minutes ago, Puros Y Vino said:

Saw one today. 500E in the shop

That's pretty close to the going rate for the HU Noellas (if you can find them) as well.  I really wish they would skip the jar for both and deliver them in boxes.  I wish the Bears could beat Green Bay too 😢

[NSXCIGAR]

On 9/21/2022 at 2:47 PM, Chibearsv said:

I really wish they would skip the jar for both and deliver them in boxes.  I wish the Bears could beat Green Bay too 😢

I don't mind the jar but a $100-200 premium for a plain glass jar is absurd. I didn't buy HU Noellas outside of Cuba for that reason. 

The PL Coronas were $500 for the 50 cab just a couple years ago. 

[Fugu]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I don't mind the jar but a $100-200 premium for a plain glass jar is absurd. I didn't buy HU Noellas outside of Cuba for that reason. 

The PL Coronas were $500 for the 50 cab just a couple years ago. 

True. Actually, I don’t think it’s the jar (alone). I fear it’s a new general pricing scheme. It’s the cigars. The markup for the jar won’t be that much.

The porcelain jars of earlier releases were corresponding to an markup of appr. 50 to 60 EUR, retail end. Let that now be a 70-100 today. But a simple glass jar, even with the labels and clasps is cheaper to produce I’d say. Glass jars had never been considered a luxury packaging for cigars in former times when they still were in regular production. More like a canned food product, a mere Mason jar.

And yes, the PL Coronas had been 500 just four years ago. Which I already considered pretty pricey, when compared to the PC in the same 50-SLB makeup.

As a Coronas lover, I fear I still have to get one... damn sucker me 🤣

(will have to take even more JLP into the rotation 🙄).

[Puros Y Vino]

I caved.  I'm on vacation in Italy.  Read this thread. Sure enough a Tobacconist in Bolzano had a jar.  Saw it three days ago, passed on it. Thought about it, three days later I returned and bought it.   It will go next to my LESF jar when I get home.  

[Vuelta-Perilla]

43 minutes ago, Puros Y Vino said:

I caved.  I'm on vacation in Italy.  Read this thread. Sure enough a Tobacconist in Bolzano had a jar.  Saw it three days ago, passed on it. Thought about it, three days later I returned and bought it.   It will go next to my LESF jar when I get home.  

We are quite all the same finally. We know it's way too expensive, we said "no way! I'm strong and i'll pass on it", then we see it, we smell it and the conclusion is that HSA kills us.

But we should never forget that the Mantua Cab was around 600e 2 years ago only... (and i don't speak about 14' RA Short Perfectos price ...)  Now 20e for a Corona, even if it's RE is painfull.

 

[Puros Y Vino]

25 minutes ago, Vuelta-Perilla said:

We are quite all the same finally. We know it's way too expensive, we said "no way! I'm strong and i'll pass on it", then we see it, we smell it and the conclusion is that HSA kills us.

But we should never forget that the Mantua Cab was around 600e 2 years ago only... (and i don't speak about 14' RA Short Perfectos price ...)  Now 20e for a Corona, even if it's RE is painfull.

 

The 500E jar I can live with. The 1440E Funds in the same store?  No way. I was hoping I could find some Mantua and Invictos in my uncle's sleepy northern town.  But alas, none were to be found. 

[Vuelta-Perilla]

7 hours ago, Puros Y Vino said:

I was hoping I could find some Mantua and Invictos in my uncle's sleepy northern town.  But alas, none were to be found. 

Seems gems chaser worked hard during last 2 years, accross the country in all corners, even with Covid restrictions.

[BoxPSI_ed]

I will be in Italy for vacation next month, oh the pressure!

[NSXCIGAR]

13 hours ago, Fugu said:

True. Actually, I don’t think it’s the jar (alone). I fear it’s a new general pricing scheme. It’s the cigars. The markup for the jar won’t be that much.

True, it's not that black & white but there's no way they'd sell a plain box of Eminentes vitola for $20 each. Most larger ER vitolas are MSRP $25-30 and most petit robustos around $20. The RA Noellas should be around $15 each. $20 each for the RA Noellas that puts the jar markup at at least $125 effectively which is about the same as the HU Noellas. 

[Fugu]

4 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

The RA Noellas should be around $15

If you check one of the earlier press releases (see Halfwheel), it had originality been projected to be EUR 400, i.e. 16 each. Appears way more reasonable.

Edit: well, reasonable is a matter of perspective... given this is essentially a PC “boosted” by 3 mm. 😅

[NSXCIGAR]

3 hours ago, Fugu said:

If you check one of the earlier press releases (see Halfwheel), it had originality been projected to be EUR 400, i.e. 16 each. Appears way more reasonable.

Edit: well, reasonable is a matter of perspective... given this is essentially a PC “boosted” by 3 mm. 😅

$15-16 each with the jar would be much more palatable. And they couldn't even use an already short Cosacos vitola...

[Thirds]

Will be in Italy in a few weeks.  Does anyone know of the best location to find these in Italy?  What are my best chances…Rome, Florence, Venice?  
 

Anyone know of any random cigar locations in the Umbria region?  I’ll be near Assisi and Spello for several days.  
 

I’ve sent an email to Fincato in advance and wondered if you fine fellas had any other suggestions. 
 

Thanks! 

[Puros Y Vino]

2 hours ago, Thirds said:

Will be in Italy in a few weeks.  Does anyone know of the best location to find these in Italy?  What are my best chances…Rome, Florence, Venice?  
 

Anyone know of any random cigar locations in the Umbria region?  I’ll be near Assisi and Spello for several days.  
 

I’ve sent an email to Fincato in advance and wondered if you fine fellas had any other suggestions. 
 

Thanks! 

Open up Google maps and in search nearby and  enter “Cuban Cigars“. Then start emailing or calling around.   Thats how I found the B&M that had a jar. 

[Fugu]

11 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

$15-16 each with the jar would be much more palatable. And they couldn't even use an already short Cosacos vitola...

They could even use the same basic glassware as for the HU Noellas without further ado, saving them preproduction / tooling costs. Wonder if that’s what’s actually been done.