How long we giving Trinidad?

[SCgarman]

9 hours ago, Kaptain Karl said:

I'm not confident this move is going to work out all that well for HSA. There will be a mad rush initially, but they're going to have to sustain demand year in and year out. I just dont see it happening.

If the US hits a hard recession, the rest of the planet will also. Habanos will have a hard time getting $100 usd/large sticks for Cohiba too. What an oxymoron: communists being capitalists. Comical!

[El Presidente]

I think that their strategy is quite clear. 

They don't want anyone who cares about price to smoke Cohiba and Trinidad. 

They want people smoking Cohiba/Trinidad to be seen making a statement. 

They may indeed pull it off.  I am sure they will with Cohiba at least.

Personally I don't want any part in it. 

 

[Fuzz]

9 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I think that their strategy is quite clear. 

They don't want anyone who cares about price to smoke Cohiba and Trinidad. 

They want people smoking Cohiba/Trinidad to be seen making a statement. 

They may indeed pull it off.  I am sure they will with Cohiba at least.

Personally I don't want any part in it. 

Time for Ben to crank up the output on the FOH IG account and become a Cuban Cigar Influencer. Star up a Patreon and OnlyFans too.

[westg]

As soon as they come in ,  they will be gone. Crank it up all they like . ! 

All to easy. Nothing for miles at the moment. 

[Woody Hayes]

On 5/10/2022 at 5:27 PM, Ford2112 said:

That's ridiculous. 

My God only Tom Brady and Robert Kraft will be able to afford them.

[jakebarnes]

12 minutes ago, Woody Hayes said:

My God only Tom Brady and Robert Kraft will be able to afford them.

And not even Kraft after all those massages 

[BrightonCorgi]

9 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I think that their strategy is quite clear. 

They don't want anyone who cares about price to smoke Cohiba and Trinidad. 

They want people smoking Cohiba/Trinidad to be seen making a statement. 

They may indeed pull it off.  I am sure they will with Cohiba at least.

Personally I don't want any part in it. 

The Cohiba ring and branding has cache; no question.  Easily recognized around the world.  In the most elite circle of luxury trademarks. Trinidad; not so much.  No one is like wow when they see a Trinidad cigar or branded anything. 

Habanos will have their work cut out convincing smokers Trinidad is all that.  I like them and they keep getting better.  Much better now than the original line up.  Ultra Luxury???   There's only room for one.  Trinidad should be in between Cohiba and VR etc.  The non Cohiba heavy hitters are better served with Gran Reservas, books, humidors and the like they have been doing for decades. 

 

[SCgarman]

8 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

The Cohiba ring and branding has cache; no question.  Easily recognized around the world.  In the most elite circle of luxury trademarks. Trinidad; not so much.  No one is like wow when they see a Trinidad cigar or branded anything. 

Habanos will have their work cut out convincing smokers Trinidad is all that.  I like them and they keep getting better.  Much better now than the original line up.  Ultra Luxury???   There's only room for one.  Trinidad should be in between Cohiba and VR etc.  The non Cohiba heavy hitters are better served with Gran Reservas, books, humidors and the like they have been doing for decades.

Agreed. Cohiba is equal to Rolex in worldwide name recognition. Trinidad? Not even close IMO. Only thing Trini has in common with Cohiba is the "luxury" pricing.

[Greenhorn2]

For me, the Trinidads and Cohiba brands will last until my humidor has no more. After that, I'll be like, "huh, never heard of them!"

[dominattorney]

1 hour ago, SCgarman said:

Agreed. Cohiba is equal to Rolex in worldwide name recognition. Trinidad? Not even close IMO. Only thing Trini has in common with Cohiba is the "luxury" pricing.

But thats like saying Rolex is the only luxury watch. Rich people know about Patek, Audemars, hublot, etc (I'm sure there are others I've never heard of as I'm not a watch guy).  There's more than enough room for Trinidad at an inflated price. 

[BrightonCorgi]

1 hour ago, dominattorney said:

But thats like saying Rolex is the only luxury watch. Rich people know about Patek, Audemars, hublot, etc (I'm sure there are others I've never heard of as I'm not a watch guy).  There's more than enough room for Trinidad at an inflated price. 

People buying an expensive watch know of the other brands and know they are just as fancy (if not more).  There is no convincing needed to say Patek is the best even though the buyer wants a Rolex.

[Cairo]

15 hours ago, El Presidente said:

They want people smoking Cohiba/Trinidad to be seen making a statement. 

 

My "statement" is that I stocked up when prices were reasonable.        😀

[El Presidente]

13 minutes ago, Cairo said:

My "statement" is that I stocked up when prices were reasonable.        😀

Congrats, but they honestly couldn't give a rats arse. 

[SCgarman]

3 hours ago, dominattorney said:

But thats like saying Rolex is the only luxury watch. Rich people know about Patek, Audemars, hublot, etc (I'm sure there are others I've never heard of as I'm not a watch guy).  There's more than enough room for Trinidad at an inflated price. 

"Rich" people surely know about the other Swiss luxury watch brands. But all of them pale in worldwide brand recognition to the Rolex name. Jay Z and all the other rich ballers he travelled with to Havana a few years ago were smoking Cohibas. I may be wrong, but wasn't Trinidad a Fidel "thing"? Habanos is free to market any brand they wish as a "luxury" item only deserved for those who can light their cigars with $100 bills. Let them have their cake and eat it too. I'm not a player in their game. 

[El Presidente]

2 minutes ago, SCgarman said:

. Let them have their cake and eat it too. I'm not a player in their game. 

They have drawn a line in the sand knowing full well that they will lose existing Cohiba/Trinidad clients.  They want to lose those clients. 

Their call. Poor call in my eyes but likely to be successful in terms of $/marketing/positioning/bla bla bla. 

Not a damn thing we can do about it and nor should we care. 

[SCgarman]

5 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Congrats, but they honestly couldn't give a rats arse. 

They will care when the rolling rooms are at 25% capacity because all the torcedors have left the country. What will be the answer then? Start pulling kids out of classrooms and sitting them at rolling tables! Can't sell $100 cigars without manpower/womanpower to physically make them. 

[El Presidente]

Just now, SCgarman said:

They will care when the rolling rooms are at 25% capacity because all the torcedors have left the country. What will be the answer then? Start pulling kids out of classrooms and sitting them at rolling tables! Can't sell $100 cigars without manpower/womanpower to physically make them. 

That is a different problem.

HSA is a marketing business. It is not a production business. That is Tabacuba. Common error. 

[BrightonCorgi]

4 minutes ago, SCgarman said:

They will care when the rolling rooms are at 25% capacity because all the torcedors have left the country. What will be the answer then? Start pulling kids out of classrooms and sitting them at rolling tables! Can't sell $100 cigars without manpower/womanpower to physically make them. 

All the more reason to concentrate just on Cohiba and Trinidad.  Car manufacturers are concentrating on higher margin cars right now since supplies are in a shortage.

[El Hoze]

It is funny, I was sitting outside the Four Seasons Hotel in Geneva and there were three people other than myself smoking cigars, all Cohiba. I commented to my wife “what are the odds you have three people smoking cigars and they’re all smoking Cohiba?” She looked at me dismissively and said “at the Four Seasons? In Geneva? About 100%, what else are they going to smoke?” We got a good laugh… I was there with my lowly Des Dieux with no band looking like a total nobody! 

[Chibearsv]

I like how many are opinionating on how this will all play out with some hope of a reversal in the future.  It reminds me a lot of when our local race track was pointing to shutting down.  The locals kept guessing that it was some negotiating ploy by Churchill Downs, Inc.  Locals were saying they couldn't afford to lose the business, they wouldn't do that to their customer base, and blah blah blah.  Then CDI officially announced the shut down and a final racing season last year, and I've still got friends asking me if I think they'll re-open or run races again this year.  The answer is no, it's over.  Maybe when they actually start tearing down the buildings will it sink in.

Same with the marketing plan for Cohiba and Trinidad, the decision has been made, it's over.  Maybe it will sink in for all of us when the new prices hit everywhere.  Don't expect a rebound in the future.

[Nocoins]

I view this as an extension of what's always been going on with the special releases (humidors, GRs, exceptionally limited releases, commissioned releases, etc.) since I've been around the last 20 years. There always were releases that were priced well outside what I'd ever consider spending on cigars. Now the entire portfolio of Cohiba and Trinidad are going to be among those. Okay then. There are just so many good cigars anyway, from Cuba and other places. 

[BrightonCorgi]

How long do you think it will go before Habanos tries to co-brand's Trinidad (or any marca for that matter) with other luxury brands? "Trinidad for Tom Ford"  

[jakebarnes]

2 minutes ago, BrightonCorgi said:

How long do you think it will go before Habanos tries to co-brand's Trinidad (or any marca for that matter) with other luxury brands? "Trinidad for Tom Ford"  

I'd take an F1 car with Cohiba colors. 

[dominattorney]

2 hours ago, Chibearsv said:

I like how many are opinionating on how this will all play out with some hope of a reversal in the future.  It reminds me a lot of when our local race track was pointing to shutting down.  The locals kept guessing that it was some negotiating ploy by Churchill Downs, Inc.  Locals were saying they couldn't afford to lose the business, they wouldn't do that to their customer base, and blah blah blah.  Then CDI officially announced the shut down and a final racing season last year, and I've still got friends asking me if I think they'll re-open or run races again this year.  The answer is no, it's over.  Maybe when they actually start tearing down the buildings will it sink in.

Same with the marketing plan for Cohiba and Trinidad, the decision has been made, it's over.  Maybe it will sink in for all of us when the new prices hit everywhere.  Don't expect a rebound in the future.

Couldn't agree more. I can't wait to receive even more raised eyebrows discussing my relative dislike for Cohiba now that the inevitable sour grapes argument is so well teed up. 

[jakebarnes]

2 hours ago, Chibearsv said:

I like how many are opinionating on how this will all play out with some hope of a reversal in the future.  It reminds me a lot of when our local race track was pointing to shutting down.  The locals kept guessing that it was some negotiating ploy by Churchill Downs, Inc.  Locals were saying they couldn't afford to lose the business, they wouldn't do that to their customer base, and blah blah blah.  Then CDI officially announced the shut down and a final racing season last year, and I've still got friends asking me if I think they'll re-open or run races again this year.  The answer is no, it's over.  Maybe when they actually start tearing down the buildings will it sink in.

Same with the marketing plan for Cohiba and Trinidad, the decision has been made, it's over.  Maybe it will sink in for all of us when the new prices hit everywhere.  Don't expect a rebound in the future.

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