EAR: Taking advantage?

[PigFish]

Hanging bad decisions on the word 'brother' is one of the dumber things I have read on here lately... MHO. -Piggy

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As mentioned by others, always difficult to pass judgement when too little info is provided.

That being said, the emailer seems to be operating on specific assumptions, including the concept that other cigar smokers are naturally friendly and caring by their sharing of the hobby. In my personal experience, one common failing in people nowadays is poor expectations management skills...

I'd suggest being trustful of others but testing the waters with low consequences agreements with anyone you haven't built a rapport with yet. Another trick is to enter deals with untested partners investing only resources you'd be fine losing altogether. Third suggestion, as already mentioned, would be to make sure you are well informed about the goods you are trading in.

There is a cute naivete in grown-ups acting as if the world was a safe and fair place, justice always prevailed and everybody were honest. It is true that lessons typically come at a cost 😅

[Bijan]

23 hours ago, El Presidente said:

what grinds my beans is that when I traded that box two years ago I didn't know what it was worth. My fault I know.

Come on it's a trade. He had one job: figure out what the cigars are worth...

How does that even happen? Were they a gift? Did he not buy them in the first place? Were they 20 years old, and he stopped smoking for a few decades and prices went up in the meanwhile and he didn't know what they were worth 2 years ago?

I can't get over the "I didn't even google the price of these cigars and I am mad at the other side".

[El Presidente]

7 hours ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

@El Presidente

Any chance we could find out what cigars were traded so we can see if this is just sour grapes or predation on ignorance?

The trade occured elsewhere albeit the PM'er is a member here. 

08  Bolivar Gold Medals.  $190 ish trade. 

If today, box would likely sell on BR near $1000. It wasn't today however, it was two years ago.  I don't know where it was sold but $1500 is "high". Still a possibility in the right market (eg London). 

 

 

[Bijan]

12 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

The trade occured elsewhere albeit the PM'er is a member here. 

08  Bolivar Gold Medals.  $190 ish trade. 

If today, box would likely sell on BR near $1000. It wasn't today however, it was two years ago.  I don't know where it was sold but $1500 is "high". Still a possibility in the right market (eg London). 

 

 

At least one box sold in summer 2019 on Bond Roberts for under $400. $400-$500 was common on BR in the second half of 2019. Also one sold $355 in 2020, though another sold $1,000, but $600 is probably average for 2 years ago (2020) at auction.

Again auctions have a huge variance/variability. A box can sell at half price if unlucky and 2x if lucky.

Edit: 42 boxes (including partials) sold on BR 2019-2022 none much above $1,000

[El Presidente]

8 hours ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

@El Presidente

Any chance we could find out what cigars were traded so we can see if this is just sour grapes or predation on ignorance?

I assume he paid around $90-100 for them. 

[riderpride]

Thanks for the added context @Elpresidente. If the trade was of equal value at the time then conversation over. While discontinudes can expect to appreciate at a higher rate than continued prod, but no one saw GMs appreciating anywhere near this level. 

Blame Bond Roberts I say .

JK - BR is awesome 

Cheers

 

[Çnote]

Yeah, so, get an accurate valuation of what this 'botl' wants, add $400, and go from there, especially if it's not something you're going to smoke.

It's time to let all this go, but you're getting a chance to clawback your lost value.

[Chibearsv]

6 hours ago, Heels82 said:

Are these your dogs I saw on St. Pete's "Wear Sunscreen" page? 🤨 😎

This red head (now redish head) has made that mistake before and is wiser. 😜

[Fuzz]

Oh, boohoo.

If I actually worried/cared about what cigars I traded or gave away to friends costed, I'd be a basket case. I have freely given away cigars that in today's market would have made me a fair chunk of coin, but that is not the reason why I buy cigars. They are to be enjoyed by myself, or friends who I gift them to. If I traded them away, I would make sure the trade was equitable at the time. I really don't care what happens after that.

If you are concerned that the person you trade with is going to sell them for a profit, then DON'T TRADE AWAY YOUR CIGARS!

[La_Tigre]

20 hours ago, El Presidente said:

The trade occured elsewhere albeit the PM'er is a member here. 

08  Bolivar Gold Medals.  $190 ish trade. 

If today, box would likely sell on BR near $1000. It wasn't today however, it was two years ago.  I don't know where it was sold but $1500 is "high". Still a possibility in the right market (eg London). 

 

 

Definitely a function of the market. Seems like they’ve popped up on other retailers at an inflated price ($400/500/600) just before the pandemic. $190 would surely be lower end value at that time. So, the item given in return would need comparison. Would a box of La Trova been a fair trade at the time? Yes, if you’re going on strict enjoyment, but as an investment, no. In any event, that’s all hindsight 20/20.  Look at MDO4 BR prices…or even the fact that many boxes available in Havana at then Cuba prices…market swings and supply. How many of those were on BR for 1/5 the latest valuation…?

Sunk cost is just that, bringing your chips to the table with markers of the past on them leads to further “poor” decisions. 

[NSXCIGAR]

On 4/23/2022 at 3:31 PM, El Presidente said:

08  Bolivar Gold Medals.  $190 ish trade. 

In this specific case the offense isn't that bad (if there even was one). 8 x value seems to be a massive exaggeration by the OP. 08-09 BGM were nowhere near $1,000 just a short time ago. If the trade was 4 years ago (2 + 2) then maybe the box was in the $4-500 range, but this was also before easy sales on BR. For a ~$200 trade I would not consider anyone having been "wronged" per se. It would not be obvious that a box of 08 BGM would be worth that much more.

That said, I could still see taking issue if they were traded with the intention of the trader smoking and not selling and I would definitely want trader 2 to buy or trade the OP a nice cigar as an acknowledgment. 

[mprach024]

On 4/24/2022 at 12:44 AM, coug28 said:

For the record, just cause I also agreed with the millennial comment, does not make me a Boomer! 😝
 

Gen X’er here and damn proud of it! We can survive/endure literally anything.

Gen Xer here.  Are Boomers still smoking cigars?

 

On 4/24/2022 at 12:53 AM, MrBirdman said:

Love you Mitch, but you’re dead wrong on this one. Entitlement?

I think you are confusing us with the baby boomers. 

Also, a lot of older people seem to confuse Millennials with Gen Z - people born after 1996 or there about. Most Millennials graduated into a recession and will grow old in a country with crumbling infrastructure, a massive national debt, huge inequality and toxic polarization, all thanks to the Boomers and Gen X. Hope you guys enjoyed your ride, cause we’re gonna be the one’s paying for most of it!

Apparently millennials also can’t take a joke….sheesh