EAR: Taking advantage?

[Ford2112]

Did he trade esplendidios for cuabas?

[Chibearsv]

 

[mprach024]

I bought Ethereum at $3400, that looks like a bad trade right now.  We all know how values work, how many investments have we all made or passed on that we regret?  You make an educated decision and live with the consequences.  Any buy or sell or trade I make is my responsibility.  I’m never gonna tell Rob, “NO ROB, those Monte 2s at $425 are TOO cheap, I want to pay $500 as that’s what they’ll cost in 2 years.”

Give me a break, this guy must be a millennial, feeling entitled to the best deal for him.  

[SCgarman]

2 hours ago, TobaccoRoad said:

I see the BOTL acronym used a lot. It's warm and fuzzy to think that everyone on this forum is honorable, upright and participating in this hobby with purely altruistic motives. It's also extremely naive. In any community, especially anonymous online forums, there lurks the best and the worst of human nature. There are some fine people here at FOH. I've been lucky enough to trade with a few. I'm sure there are less upright and reputable folks here too. I haven't had the misfortune to trade or transact any business with them. If I do in the future then the old adage applies: Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. 

Move on with lesson learned.

 

Well said! If you ever come down to South Carolina, the cigar and drink is on me. 

[Enduin]

We really don't know enough about the interaction between the two parties to really say one way or another, but as a general rule I firmly believe that whenever buying, selling or trading, it's the person's responsibility to be informed about the value of the goods. We live in the internet age so there is really no excuse. If someone doesn't want to spend the time to educate himself and sells/trades under the value, it's his choice and he should not complain afterwards. Just learn the lesson and next time do your homework before trading.

With that said, I do find it distasteful for a BOTL to accept a trade that is so far off the fair trading value and then sell the box for a profit, and probably would not trade with such a person myself.

[coug28]

Gotta say, I’m surprised by this many comments in support of the dude who made the trade. Of his own volition it seems?! 
 

2 years ago, A LOT of cigars were worth significantly less than they are today. Unless this fella was genuinely manipulated in some fashion into making this trade, there is zero recourse, and should be no sympathy IMO. The millennial comment made above seems fitting. 

I sold plenty of cigars myself several years ago. Should I be asking to split the increase in value from the time I sold them to now with the buyers? That’s rhetorical of course.
 

Only in this current ‘everyone gets a participation trophy’ environment we presently live in does this fella have this many people on his side. I know we’re all gentlemen and presumably upstanding citizens here (mostly) but Gimmie a break?! 

[jakebarnes]

3 hours ago, mprach024 said:

I bought Ethereum at $3400, that looks like a bad trade right now.  We all know how values work, how many investments have we all made or passed on that we regret?  You make an educated decision and live with the consequences.  Any buy or sell or trade I make is my responsibility.  I’m never gonna tell Rob, “NO ROB, those Monte 2s at $425 are TOO cheap, I want to pay $500 as that’s what they’ll cost in 2 years.”

Give me a break, this guy must be a millennial, feeling entitled to the best deal for him.  

Us millenials are like almost 40 and went through 2 economic crashes in a little over a decade. We're just trying to survive at this point. Be kind 😀

To bring it back to the topic: not sure I get the complaint. Unless there is some sort of trickery or dishonesty involved (sent worse cigars in the trade than promised or fakes or something of the like), I don't understand the issue. It feels sort of like when you get mad at yourself for selling a stock that is up but then it goes up more-- you got what you wanted out of it, but now you're kicking yourself for not getting more. But that's not the fault of the stock--it is all on you.

[BrightonCorgi]

My trades are about perceived value between me and the other party.

If I sell or a trade a box, I don't care if the new owner sells it for a profit or throws the box in the trash.  Mazel tov to him (or her) if they were able to make a profit on it.  I don't sell or trade to make a loss; nor should they. 

[garbandz]

You got hussled.

 

I enjoy the alternate spellings that are so prominent these days.

And the use of "Like " in a written missive.

substituting "then " for "than " and on and on.

 

Now we are studying sellers' remorse.

[La_Tigre]

Context is everything. 
$100 release Cuba RE two years ago being $800 now is a possible reality.

Only way to know if this is perception versus predation is viewing the full scenario. 

[99call]

Maybe the seller wants to pay the buyer their hourly rate for time spent observing the market.

 

21 hours ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

People need to be responsible for their own actions and not make foolish decisions then complain about it later.

Correct

[ReturnFreeRisk]

Like many things it cuts both ways and eventually the BOTL karma evens out. I have traded/sold stuff with age lately that I know I “lost out” in given todays mania+supply constraint. That courtesy came back to me too.

Recently got my grail cab of ManTua. Had to get down on my knees and the other party used no lube. I too am not as “nice” with ERs/ELs


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[Corylax18]

11 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Give me a break, this guy must be a millennial, feeling entitled to the best deal for him.  

9 hours ago, coug28 said:

The millennial comment made above seems fitting. 

This stuff always makes me laugh. Who do you think is funding social security and free boner pills? Millennials. Who wont get a dime of SS or Medicare money when we retire? Millennials.

We where raised by the most malignantly entitled generation in the history of our species. Happily willing to mortgage their Children's and now Grandchildren's futures for a little extra comfort. Enjoy it. Because all Us millennials will be buying our OWN boner pills and funding our OWN retirements. Talk about entitled. 

8 hours ago, jakebarnes said:

Us millenials are like almost 40 and went through 2 economic crashes in a little over a decade. We're just trying to survive at this point. Be kind 😀

And a 3rd, coming soon to a town near you!!! Be honest though, this must be our fault too. 😄

[coug28]

For the record, just cause I also agreed with the millennial comment, does not make me a Boomer! 😝
 

Gen X’er here and damn proud of it! We can survive/endure literally anything. 
 

[MrBirdman]

12 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Give me a break, this guy must be a millennial, feeling entitled to the best deal for him.  

Love you Mitch, but you’re dead wrong on this one. Entitlement?

I think you are confusing us with the baby boomers. 

Also, a lot of older people seem to confuse Millennials with Gen Z - people born after 1996 or there about. Most Millennials graduated into a recession and will grow old in a country with crumbling infrastructure, a massive national debt, huge inequality and toxic polarization, all thanks to the Boomers and Gen X. Hope you guys enjoyed your ride, cause we’re gonna be the one’s paying for most of it!

 

[HarveyBoulevard]

@El Presidente

Any chance we could find out what cigars were traded so we can see if this is just sour grapes or predation on ignorance?

[jakebarnes]

Just now, HarveyBoulevard said:

@El Presidente

Any chance we could find out what cigars were traded so we can see if this is just sour grapes or predation on ignorance?

I agree. Context is the key. That said, even without the context you should know what you have/want. 

[HarveyBoulevard]

11 minutes ago, jakebarnes said:

I agree. Context is the key. That said, even without the context you should know what you have/want. 

I agree that one should know what they have before they offer it in trade.  That Reese's peanut buttercup I got for my Mickey Mantle rookie card still smarts...

[jakebarnes]

5 minutes ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

I agree that one should know what they have before they offer it in trade.  That Reese's peanut buttercup I got for my Mickey Mantle rookie card still smarts...

I traded a Baby Ruth for a Babe Ruth. Same same, right?

[Chibearsv]

Anyone that’s traded with me is welcome to request back anything I haven’t smoked yet. They’re friggin cigars to me, not commodities. Anyone that’s looking to profit from these things are welcome to avoid me. 

Sincerely,

An Entitled Boomer 😁

[Chas.Alpha]

1 hour ago, Chibearsv said:

Anyone that’s traded with me is welcome to request back anything I haven’t smoked yet. They’re friggin cigars to me, not commodities. Anyone that’s looking to profit from these things are welcome to avoid me. 

Sincerely,

An Entitled Boomer 😁

I’m waiting until the Holiday season to smoke that HUSW we traded. I think the Punch DC was more valuable. 🤔 Perhaps you should have sent me a Cohiba to make the trade more equitable??? 🤣

Inside joke, people... 😔

[GoodStix]

3 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Happily willing to mortgage their Children's and now Grandchildren's futures for a little extra comfort.

Boomer here.... largely in agreement with you.  In recent decades, the majority of people have repeatedly elected politicians who buy votes with public debt.  Wtf happened to living within our means?  And holding politicians accountable at the ballot box if they can't balance a budget in peacetime.  Nope, rack up debt and let our descendants pay the piper.  Shameful.  jmo

[Çnote]

Well that went downhill quick 

[inter4alia]

My life will not be complete until I know the details of the sticks traded. 

[NSXCIGAR]

18 hours ago, Ford2112 said:

Did he trade esplendidios for cuabas?

At the purported 800% increase, yes, that would be consistent with something like that. A $200 box for a $1,600 box.