third dose - from scientists

[PigFish]

... oh, I did want to say something before I wrapped that last one.

@mprach024 I am not saying Covid does not kill people. AND I am really sorry to hear about your losses and the sick in your family. 

I am being my typical academic prick-self! -Ray

[porkchop]

1 minute ago, Ken Gargett said:

shall we leave aside the utter absurdity of using a fictional movie about the mafia to attempt to illustrate your point - which to be honest, i really am still struggling with - are we to take it that your arrogance runs to the assumption you take care of us? please roll out the examples? i don't honestly expect you to do that because this is just more of the divert, digress etc. although i am certain that nations such as the united kingdom, new zealand, canada, ourselves and many more were grateful for your eventual involvement in the wars. granted you took a few years to join in for both of them but better late than never. 

but we await your explanation of australian petulance because i do not see it here. i know, no chance it is coming. 

if i may address another point of yours, "Yeh thing is they didn't develop the vaccines. Where the "white guys who speak english and didn't get to run things" are confused is just because America the country/system is better". not trying to highlight the absurd arrogance with which you continue to post. i would like to ask a serious question. and i mean this - have you ever travelled outside american borders? no problem of course if you have not. it is just that my experience is very much that your statements are very much the attitude of many americans who have not, but very rarely found in those who have. travelling to other countries does seem to provide a more rounded perspective. 

anyway, there is a QB debate on the washington football forum and while there are some crazy views being offered there, they are still way saner than some of the stuff here. and much more fun, so if you'll excuse me, i'll check back in later. 

It isn't meant to be that serious (and please leave the U.K. out being they are the original Godfather). Why do you get so riled up when any American dares to poke back? It is your own arrogance/ego being wounded when confronted with reality. You and I have little to do with the accomplishments of our respective countries. The entire "western" world lives like a 3rd generation trust fund kid. 

Travel wise have been to Can, Mex, Jamaica. 

[Meesterjojo]

I'm all about vaccinations, but this third dose seems like a money grab by Pfizer.

I might mix it up and get the J&J this time.

[Ken Gargett]

3 minutes ago, porkchop said:

It isn't meant to be that serious (and please leave the U.K. out being they are the original Godfather). Why do you get so riled up when any American dares to poke back? It is your own arrogance/ego being wounded when confronted with reality. You and I have little to do with the accomplishments of our respective countries. The entire "western" world lives like a 3rd generation trust fund kid. 

Travel wise have been to Can, Mex, Jamaica. 

and yet another post avoiding what was put to you. same old playbook.

"when any American dares to poke back?"

yet another re-writing of history to suit yourself. your first two posts in this thread were a combination of ridiculous unfounded claims and insults (i could not be bothered checking more but i'd wager they were not on their pat). that has nothing at all to do with poking back. it is you painting yourself in a false light. 

as for my reaction when confronted with reality, we'll never know, if we base it on your posts. i've seen nothing remotely resembling reality from you, so far.

now if you'll excuse me, i'm off to chat about this week's game. knock yourself out with reality. 

 

[porkchop]

4 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

and yet another post avoiding what was put to you. same old playbook.

"when any American dares to poke back?"

yet another re-writing of history to suit yourself. your first two posts in this thread were a combination of ridiculous unfounded claims and insults (i could not be bothered checking more but i'd wager they were not on their pat). that has nothing at all to do with poking back. it is you painting yourself in a false light. 

as for my reaction when confronted with reality, we'll never know, if we base it on your posts. i've seen nothing remotely resembling reality from you, so far.

now if you'll excuse me, i'm off to chat about this week's game. knock yourself out with reality. 

 

I am seriously confused about where you are coming from...what point is being avoided? 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

12 minutes ago, porkchop said:

I am seriously confused about where you are coming from...what point is being avoided? 

I am just curious why you haven’t taken Foulhook up on his suckers bet instead of slinging mud at Ken?
 

 

[mprach024]

1 hour ago, PigFish said:

... brother... I am just giving you data. I don't really care what people are thinking about this anymore. I am not here to make enemies over covid. Life is tough enough! No gain in this for Dr. Piggy.

BUT... since you like data!

Ever seen the result of the clinical trial that won PFizzy (not PigFish) their approval?

Read it and weep. Then do some research on why the FDA chose not to use total deaths with this particular drug. I doubt you will find it.

According to this trial, you have 0.00909% (using your math) of dying from Covid without the jab.

Let me help you with the data.

The PHizzy jab saved one life in 22K more than the placebo. So you think that this is enough to tell the world to get it???

If you are going to credit it with the one life, and jump up and down with glee, let's look at the flip-side. Look at total deaths... the indication that there might also be some harm to be had from the drug. Find the additional heart attack risk. Is that just data you don't want to take notice of? How about the 5 PHizzy chose not to put on the table.

Want to talk numbers you say? Then look at the whole picture. You chance of death during the period without the shot was 14/22000. With it 20/22000. Anything wrong here?

Now lets say your dad got sick and went to the hospital right after the jab. You felt not so good about him dying, and got an attorney because everyone on TV, from Fauci, Trump to Biden told him to get it. I am not playing favorites! Your lawyer is going to tell you that PZizzy is exempt from suit regardless of the claims (that may just be factual).

Baby, I am not fighting people about getting the shot. But something really stinks here... MHO.

More data when I have a minute.

Cheers, the Pig

Oh Piggy……

 

53 minutes ago, PigFish said:

... oh, I did want to say something before I wrapped that last one.

@mprach024 I am not saying Covid does not kill people. AND I am really sorry to hear about your losses and the sick in your family. 

I am being my typical academic prick-self! -Ray

Thank you sir, and no worries I don’t take these contradictions of thought personally.  You and you’re line of thinking would get along very well with 2 of my best friends.  Doesn’t make love them any less even though we spar often.  It’s all good.  It’s ok to disagree and have a conversation, it’s not ok to disagree and attack one personally or defensively only because one disagrees (you didn’t).  Discussion is healthy.  

[Huckleberry]

I have gone through a battle with COVID and I’m pretty sure I’m still alive, I hope so anyway.  IMHO the science of the shots is unsettled, especially as it pertains to those lucky enough to retain sufficient antibodies after infection.

The debate somehow shifted from the effectiveness of the shots to fight the disease and has now become about the ability of the shots to guide us toward the quickest path to normalcy.

If the presence of antibodies is the measure of safety I am as safe as anyone—IMHO.

I am also an American for which I am proud and very thankful.  Doesn’t make me better than anyone else, that being said I often find myself in a silent chuckle when others criticize her for all the problems of the world.

Please judge your own politicians, I’m quite sure they are all massive wankers.  
 

[Foulhook]

This was fun to go back and read 3 years later. So you guys still getting boosters? Still believe the vaccines were safe and effective? Your Covid camps were a good idea? Still “believe the science”? 
 

[El Presidente]

4th booster back in April 

[Chas.Alpha]

I had the two boosters back in 2022. That said, the amount of rum I drink might be an argument of why I never caught COVID… 🤔

[Foulhook]

10 hours ago, El Presidente said:

4th booster back in April 

🤣🤣.. I love ya brother! I was just having some fun. It is Interesting to go back and read the threads during that craziness.

 

10 hours ago, Chas.Alpha said:

I had the two boosters back in 2022. That said, the amount of rum I drink might be an argument of why I never caught COVID… 🤔

Probably more safe and effective 🤙...I’m right there with ya. Although tonight I just cracked an old fitz bib instead of rum.

[El Presidente]

10 hours ago, Foulhook said:

🤣🤣.. I love ya brother! I was just having some fun. It is Interesting to go back and read the threads during that craziness. 

Bugger it. They haven't killed me so far and I feel better having been boostered during my OS travels. Given the other crap I put into my body, I have put vaccine down at a low personal concern. 

We have actually had quite a few review threads on the subject. 

[Foulhook]

9 hours ago, El Presidente said:

Bugger it. They haven't killed me so far and I feel better having been boostered during my OS travels. Given the other crap I put into my body, I have put vaccine down at a low personal concern. 

We have actually had quite a few review threads on the subject. 

Glad you’re doing well…

Your reasons were the same as mine when I took the initial two doses. I’m not having anymore kids and the stuff I put in my body already probably outweighs the risk. That said, I haven’t had any boosters since. I had Covid a couple months back for the third time and it was like allergies for a few days with exception of a fever. Still smoked a cigar every night while I had it lit. It’s now like all the other coronaviruses that go around every year..

I still shake my head at some of the stuff that happened though…I think Joe Rogan said it well in his latest standup “we lost a lot of people during Covid and most of them are still alive “ that and “before Covid I would have told you vaccines were the greatest invention ever created...after Covid…I don’t think we went to the moon!” 🤣🤣

[El Presidente]

9 hours ago, Foulhook said:

I still shake my head at some of the stuff that happened though…I think Joe Rogan said it well in his latest standup “we lost a lot of people during Covid and most of them are still alive “ that and “before Covid I would have told you vaccines were the greatest invention ever created...after Covid…I don’t think we went to the moon!” 🤣🤣

I think like most things, you live and learn. Intelligent people's opinions flow subject to the factual information borne under the hard light of day. Trying to find that information is the hard part. I have mates who will never take a vaccine. I have one who literally believes he is being stalked by Bill Gates. I have others who believe we should  approach the next epidemic the same way. Of course opinions range all in between. I love them all. 

[Jimmy2]

Never took any of that garbage, but your choice. I worked through the whole thing and never missed a beat! 

I was always taught if anyone forces you to do something always run the other way. Fear is the greatest method of control.😃

[Arabian]

3 Shots. The side effects I noticed made me smoke more cigars.

[Chibearsv]

After my 3rd shot I've got a bucket on my head and drone "all hail Plankton" while awaiting my orders.