third dose - from scientists

[mprach024]

19 minutes ago, Foulhook said:

Slowly losing respect for Australia. What was once a great country. Every person I know here in the states that was vaccinated has also had covid. The 95% is crap. It’s down to about 47% now and that’s only two weeks after you had your second dose then it wanes quickly..The NIH got in bed with moderna before the virus was even released we are finding out. Go ahead and get your obedience jabs and in two months you’ll be officially unvaccinated again. Lather, rinse, repeat until the end of time. No virus that shares host with the wild has ever been eradicated by a vaccine in history and this one won’t either. Omicron my be our best bet. A variant that is highly transmissible but very mild symptoms... that’s the one you want to catch. 

I can’t believe what I see down in OZ.. seriously, covid concentration camps? What will we do if a real challenge ever happens? Everyone has become a soy boy liberal. Scared of a virus that even a 65 yo has a 99% chance of surviving? If the beaches at Normandy could speak. 🙄.. I can’t believe y’all smoke cigars! Don’t you know you have a greater chance of dying from smoking cigars than from covid? We need a tobacco vaccine if we are going to continue this madness! 

Right.  And the vaccines give you AIDS! Ahhhhh science is so stupid, just pray the virus away.  Vaccines don’t work, Polio was a myth, bunch of pansies whining about their legs is all.  I get mumps 3 times a year and I love them!  Measles too, I order that with a side of fries!  Booooo vaccines.  Yayyyyy nonsense.  👎👎👎👎

[Hammer Smokin']

Careful you soy boy liberal.

'mericans know best.

[mprach024]

Just now, Hammer Smokin' said:

Careful you soy boy liberal.

'mericans know best.

West Michigan Chapter of Young Republicans all through college, lifelong card carrying republican.  Just because there’s an R next to a name does not mean you abandon reason and logic and follow blindly.  Ironically that’s not what ‘Merica is known for.

[Hammer Smokin']

It is now 

 

[mprach024]

Just now, Hammer Smokin' said:

It is now 

 

Breaks my heart, but I agree with you there

[Nino]

Received my 3rd or booster Biontech jab a week ago - it was from a "Jab Bus" over at the University campus, no appmt needed, stand in line for 45 mins and get it.

Still very much alive and kicking and more so now 🙂

[BEVOSREVENGE]

6 hours ago, Foulhook said:

Slowly losing respect for Australia. What was once a great country. Every person I know here in the states that was vaccinated has also had covid. The 95% is crap. It’s down to about 47% now and that’s only two weeks after you had your second dose then it wanes quickly..The NIH got in bed with moderna before the virus was even released we are finding out. Go ahead and get your obedience jabs and in two months you’ll be officially unvaccinated again. Lather, rinse, repeat until the end of time. No virus that shares host with the wild has ever been eradicated by a vaccine in history and this one won’t either. Omicron my be our best bet. A variant that is highly transmissible but very mild symptoms... that’s the one you want to catch. 

I can’t believe what I see down in OZ.. seriously, covid concentration camps? What will we do if a real challenge ever happens? Everyone has become a soy boy liberal. Scared of a virus that even a 65 yo has a 99% chance of surviving? If the beaches at Normandy could speak. 🙄.. I can’t believe y’all smoke cigars! Don’t you know you have a greater chance of dying from smoking cigars than from covid? We need a tobacco vaccine if we are going to continue this madness! 

Unfortunately, I know two unvaccinated people that died from Delta this past summer.  Additionally, 1,100 people a day are currently dying from being unvaccinated, with half of those cases occurring in just MI, OH, PA, and NY (look how those states voted in the last election).

In a country blessed with choice and abundant vaccine supply, Darwin will continue to cull the herd for the non-believers.

YMMV

P.S. Not a soy boy liberal

[Ryan]

Wife got our names down for booster jabs this morning. Ireland just started boosters for over-50s today. It might take a week.

I looked into getting one or two of the Cuban shots while I was there, but it would have been a bit of hassle. Personally, I'd have taken all 4 of them mixed up in a cocktail shaker.  

[alloy]

Peeps gonna do what they want. But if y'all aren't vaxxed, don't be coughing cigar smoke my way.

[Fuzz]

Personally, I'm quite happy to be living in Australia where we have had an extremely low number of deaths from Covid. Sure, it has been quite painful and disruptive to be in lockdowns, but it is still a great country. Don't wanna get vaxxed or pay for your mandatory 2 weeks quarantine on arrival? Fine. Stay where you are, we're good here.

[Arctic Dude]

Boosterized last Thursday (Pfizer) with no real side effects to speak of.  The first two doses left me with some localized arm tenderness, but that's it.  The booster...almost nothing.  Also got the flu shot.  Also been vaccinated for diptheria, tetanus, polio, hepatitis B, measles, mumps and rubella.  

[Foulhook]

12 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Right.  And the vaccines give you AIDS! Ahhhhh science is so stupid, just pray the virus away.  Vaccines don’t work, Polio was a myth, bunch of pansies whining about their legs is all.  I get mumps 3 times a year and I love them!  Measles too, I order that with a side of fries!  Booooo vaccines.  Yayyyyy nonsense.  👎👎👎👎

Believe the science ? Which science? The ones telling us there are more than two genders or global warming is settled science? Polio had no animal reservoirs pal. Nor did smallpox, measles or mumps..trying to eradicate covid (a cold virus) with a vaccine will not work. Would you like to place a wager on that? This virus will continue to mutate and weaken, but it will always be around.

I got my moderna jabs in April and have had covid twice since! My ex wife, her husband and both my kids had it a month ago. We must have been part of that 5% breakthrough? Right. Half of the hospitalized cases here are vaccinated. The vaccine is basically worthless after 2 months. My best friend just pulled the plug on his vaccinated mother. 

you’ll be taking boosters for the rest of your life for this cold virus and living in fear if you continue to buy into what the grant funded scientists are selling you. 

I’ll make sure to come back and update this thread in a year or two or whenever the people decide to take back their lives and liberties. By the way there is no “R” next to my name. There is an “I” .. I think for myself using common sense. There is no logic going on right now, just power hungry politicians and drug companies using this to their benefit and the sheep ask no questions and do what they are told. Do you guys even know the process of getting FDA approval for a drug? You should look into that. 

 

5 hours ago, alloy said:

Peeps gonna do what they want. But if y'all aren't vaxxed, don't be coughing cigar smoke my way.

If you’re vaccinated and the vaccine works why would you be worried if someone else didn’t get it? 

why have there been more deaths from covid in 2021 when we have had a vaccine all year well distributed than there were in 2020 when there was no vaccine? That’s strange don’t you think? 

this whole thing has gone off the rails. Was originally about not not overwhelming hospitals! That’s back when we didn’t know much about the virus. Here we are two years later. There are thousands of coronavirus variants. What we need are treatments. Oddly no politicians or scientists have seemed interested in that. Knocking down the viral replication is the way to herd immunity. 

60% hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated. They have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

mark my word before long these sheep will be attacking people for not getting boosters and blaming them for everything corona. “It’s a pandemic among those that won’t get the booster!”  😆

 

12 hours ago, mprach024 said:

West Michigan Chapter of Young Republicans all through college, lifelong card carrying republican.  Just because there’s an R next to a name does not mean you abandon reason and logic and follow blindly.  Ironically that’s not what ‘Merica is known for.

Could not agree more on that highlighted portion. 
 

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain.

[BEVOSREVENGE]

Don't know what is going on in Israel but take this for what it is worth; just another data point.  Getting Covid after being vaccinated and dying from Covid after being vaccinated are two entirely different but germane results, no?

Data is from Texas

 

[Cigar Surgeon]

1 hour ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

Don't know what is going on in Israel but take this for what it is worth; just another data point.  Getting Covid after being vaccinated and dying from Covid after being vaccinated are two entirely different but germane results, no?

Data is from Texas

Completely. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either unaware of the overwhelming data to support it, or is intentionally choosing to ignore it. Either way I just filter the nonsense out like we used to do with commercial breaks. 

Infection and death rates from the virus in relation to vaccines is working exactly in the way you would expect it to.

[porkchop]

16 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Breaks my heart, but I agree with you there

What country created these groundbreaking vaccines that saved their lives? Was it Canada?? 🤣🤣

[mprach024]

1 hour ago, porkchop said:

What country created these groundbreaking vaccines that saved their lives? Was it Canada?? 🤣🤣

Not sure why you quoted me with your statement.  I’m not from Canada, nobody was talking about Canada.  Just some random rebuttals of passed arguments I suppose?  

Well I disagree with you, tuna fish is NOT the chicken of the sea!

[Kaptain Karl]

18 hours ago, mprach024 said:

West Michigan Chapter of Young Republicans all through college, lifelong card carrying republican.  Just because there’s an R next to a name does not mean you abandon reason and logic and follow blindly.  Ironically that’s not what ‘Merica is known for.

The politicization of the vaccine is super frustrating for me too. Just because you vote one way or another shouldnt make you more or less likely to take the vaccine. 

Winston Churchill summed it up best: "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter." 

[porkchop]

9 minutes ago, mprach024 said:

Not sure why you quoted me with your statement.  I’m not from Canada, nobody was talking about Canada.  Just some random rebuttals of passed arguments I suppose?  

Well I disagree with you, tuna fish is NOT the chicken of the sea!

You are agreeing with these guys bashing America when their lives were saved by a vaccine created there. I understand their Fredo complex, not sure why you would agree. Tone is tough online - it is all in good fun. 

[Ej456]

21 minutes ago, Kaptain Karl said:

The politicization of the vaccine is super frustrating for me too. Just because you vote one way or another shouldnt make you more or less likely to take the vaccine. 

Winston Churchill summed it up best: "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter." 

Had a conversation with my co-worker today that is similar to this (in-person😱) The amount of people that vote or act against their own best interest for the dedication to a political party is mind boggling. 

[Bijan]

1 hour ago, porkchop said:

You are agreeing with these guys bashing America when their lives were saved by a vaccine created there. I understand their Fredo complex, not sure why you would agree. Tone is tough online - it is all in good fun. 

@mprach024 was defending America in all but his last post. But even he can't deny that there are anti science anti vaccine people giving America a bad name. Almost certainly not the same people developing vaccines.

You can have good and bad in the same place or the same thing. The good doesn't make it a crime to criticize the bad.

[Foulhook]

29 minutes ago, Bijan said:

@mprach024 was defending America in all but his last post. But even he can't deny that there are anti science anti vaccine people giving America a bad name. Almost certainly not the same people developing vaccines.

You can have good and bad in the same place or the same thing. The good doesn't make it a crime to criticize the bad.

I’m curious in your eyes, who is the good and who is the bad here? You must be aware that the majority is never right about anything? History has proven that over and over .. 

Are the bad guys the ones that question things? The ones that don’t just accept what the mindless ruling class states as “facts” ? Or are the bad guys the ones that tell everyone to shut up and listen to the mindless ruling class and their version of science? 

Albert Einstein was once questioned why he gave a test final to the same students that was exactly the same as it was the year before… His assistant asked why on earth would you do that? Why ask the same questions to the same students a year later?? He replied “because the answers are different now” .. 

When people decide to just accept things from the ruling class as they say is the moment when you give away all your freedoms and liberties… where do we draw that line to when we give away those things? ? Covid concentration camps? Banning people from Christmas in their own homes? 

97% of the worlds people are sheep. Everything they do in their lives is told to them by someone else. You must go to college, you must marry,  What time to be at work, how much their value of work is, how the world works, societal norms, how to think, what to think, when to feel guilty, etc… the other 3 percent are the ones you should be actually learning from. The ones that did none of those things. 

Critical thinking should be on the endangered species list at this point.

As I stated before I got the two jabs. Then I got Covid twice. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. I will not be getting any more jabs. You fools can keep on getting stuck every few months until the end of time if that’s what makes you feel safe. 

I would be more than happy to wager both of my aristocrat cabinet humidors completely loaded to max with nothing but aged cubans against anyone who has a comparable sacrifice as to how this all turns out in the end. Any takers willing to bet that the vaccine eradicates the coronavirus from this spinning ball of blue????? Let see how much confidence you have in your views  

[mprach024]

2 minutes ago, Foulhook said:

I’m curious in your eyes, who is the good and who is the bad here? You must be aware that the majority is never right about anything? History has proven that over and over .. 

Are the bad guys the ones that question things? The ones that don’t just accept what the mindless ruling class states as “facts” ? Or are the bad guys the ones that tell everyone to shut up and listen to the mindless ruling class and their version of science? 

Albert Einstein was once questioned why he gave a test final to the same students that was exactly the same as it was the year before… His assistant asked why on earth would you do that? Why ask the same questions to the same students a year later?? He replied “because the answers are different now” .. 

When people decide to just accept things from the ruling class as they say is the moment when you give away all your freedoms and liberties… where do we draw that line to when we give away those things? ? Covid concentration camps? Banning people from Christmas in their own homes? 

97% of the worlds people are sheep. Everything they do in their lives is told to them by someone else. You must go to college, you must marry,  What time to be at work, how much their value of work is, how the world works, societal norms, how to think, what to think, when to feel guilty, etc… the other 3 percent are the ones you should be actually learning from. The ones that did none of those things. 

Critical thinking should be on the endangered species list at this point.

As I stated before I got the two jabs. Then I got Covid twice. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. I will not be getting any more jabs. You fools can keep on getting stuck every few months until the end of time if that’s what makes you feel safe. 

I would be more than happy to wager both of my aristocrat cabinet humidors completely loaded to max with nothing but aged cubans against anyone who has a comparable sacrifice as to how this all turns out in the end. Any takers willing to bet that the vaccine eradicates the coronavirus from this spinning ball of blue????? Let see how much confidence you have in your views  

Bro this sounds like the rant of a Bond villain. 😂

Society is never perfect, but a society is better than anarchy.  

We never eradicated the Plague, but now some medicine will make you just fine in case you’re unlucky enough to kiss the wrong prairie dog.  Eradication is not the only acceptable result, saving lives and making this livable is better than the alternative.  Black and whites are silly.  

[Bijan]

18 minutes ago, Foulhook said:

97% of the worlds people are sheep. Everything they do in their lives is told to them by someone else.

My apologies for the meme reply below. I don't mean it as an insult but as levity.

In seriousness I would quote Abraham Lincoln:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

[Ken Gargett]

11 hours ago, Foulhook said:

Believe the science ? Which science? The ones telling us there are more than two genders or global warming is settled science? Polio had no animal reservoirs pal. Nor did smallpox, measles or mumps..trying to eradicate covid (a cold virus) with a vaccine will not work. Would you like to place a wager on that? This virus will continue to mutate and weaken, but it will always be around.

I got my moderna jabs in April and have had covid twice since! My ex wife, her husband and both my kids had it a month ago. We must have been part of that 5% breakthrough? Right. Half of the hospitalized cases here are vaccinated. The vaccine is basically worthless after 2 months. My best friend just pulled the plug on his vaccinated mother. 

you’ll be taking boosters for the rest of your life for this cold virus and living in fear if you continue to buy into what the grant funded scientists are selling you. 

I’ll make sure to come back and update this thread in a year or two or whenever the people decide to take back their lives and liberties. By the way there is no “R” next to my name. There is an “I” .. I think for myself using common sense. There is no logic going on right now, just power hungry politicians and drug companies using this to their benefit and the sheep ask no questions and do what they are told. Do you guys even know the process of getting FDA approval for a drug? You should look into that. 

 

If you’re vaccinated and the vaccine works why would you be worried if someone else didn’t get it? 

why have there been more deaths from covid in 2021 when we have had a vaccine all year well distributed than there were in 2020 when there was no vaccine? That’s strange don’t you think? 

this whole thing has gone off the rails. Was originally about not not overwhelming hospitals! That’s back when we didn’t know much about the virus. Here we are two years later. There are thousands of coronavirus variants. What we need are treatments. Oddly no politicians or scientists have seemed interested in that. Knocking down the viral replication is the way to herd immunity. 

60% hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated. They have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

mark my word before long these sheep will be attacking people for not getting boosters and blaming them for everything corona. “It’s a pandemic among those that won’t get the booster!”  😆

 

Could not agree more on that highlighted portion. 
 

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain.

apparently the Israel Ministry of Health has declared that is fake news and that 77% of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. that is from a report dated several months after your claim was dated. we had a wannabee politician, clive palmer, out here making the same claims. 

you've claimed that science or presumably some scientists, claim more than two genders. instead of throwing such allegations, perhaps you'd like to provide evidence. i'm yet to hear any respected scientist make such a claim (left wing ratbags or soy boy liberals if you prefer are rarely considered respected scientists). evidence is something scientists - and many others - like to work with rather than just making claims that are not based on facts.

climate change? well something like 97 or 98% of creditable scientists around the globe seem to believe that it is settled, to varying degrees. you really think they are all on the payroll? all of them making decisions based just on their grants? that is a hell of a lot of grants. yet those few who dispute it seem entirely to come from two camps. those funded by the oil/gad/energy industries (no conflict there!) or self-appointed fruit bats. it only ever takes a few minutes checking the credentials of these guys. we have the bloke who claimed to be a leading climate scientist because he had read the weather on some tinpot tv station. then we have ken ham, who thankfully has moved from australia and made a fortune from donations from the gullible. apparently god will prevent climate change but just in case, he has built a 200 metre ark in his back yard. how the blokes with the butterfly nets have not found him is beyond me. 

then of course, anyone taking a vaccine or believing in the science is either a sheep or living in fear. what utter nonsense. but it is a lot easier to throw that rubbish about than actually support your arguments with facts. 

 

[Foulhook]

1 hour ago, mprach024 said:

Bro this sounds like the rant of a Bond villain. 😂

Society is never perfect, but a society is better than anarchy.  

We never eradicated the Plague, but now some medicine will make you just fine in case you’re unlucky enough to kiss the wrong prairie dog.  Eradication is not the only acceptable result, saving lives and making this livable is better than the alternative.  Black and whites are silly.  

Couldn’t agree more. But accusing those that choose to not have a mystery medicine injected into their bodies the bad guy needs some explanation.. protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated was actually spoken in seriousness! Explain that please?  Now answer the questions as to who the good guys and bad guys are. And don’t call me bro. Someone take me up on my wager? Put your money where your mouth is. I’m confident enough to do so. Are you? As long as this thread is not deleted history will prove itself in the years to come. 

so you’re ok with covid concentration camps? seriously I’m just trying to see where you all stand on these kinds of things. Remember I’m vaccinated! I remember getting that second dose on April 17th and while sitting there realizing there with 4 slots to register a shot given.... not 2... I thought hmmm they are up to something here. They know there will be more than 2 shots needed. 

FYI.. for a drug company to get FDA approval they create a drug, then finance their own clinical trials, then submit those results to the FDA for approval. The FDA uses the testing done by the drug company to decide on approval. What could go wrong there? Drug companies are honest? Political groups are honest ? Right., nothing to question there? 
 

they did this with Oxycodone and swore from the trials it was non addictive .. yeah that turned out well

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

apparently the Israel Ministry of Health has declared that is fake news and that 77% of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. that is from a report dated several months after your claim was dated. we had a wannabee politician, clive palmer, out here making the same claims. 

you've claimed that science or presumably some scientists, claim more than two genders. instead of throwing such allegations, perhaps you'd like to provide evidence. i'm yet to hear any respected scientist make such a claim (left wing ratbags or soy boy liberals if you prefer are rarely considered respected scientists). evidence is something scientists - and many others - like to work with rather than just making claims that are not based on facts.

climate change? well something like 97 or 98% of creditable scientists around the globe seem to believe that it is settled, to varying degrees. you really think they are all on the payroll? all of them making decisions based just on their grants? that is a hell of a lot of grants. yet those few who dispute it seem entirely to come from two camps. those funded by the oil/gad/energy industries (no conflict there!) or self-appointed fruit bats. it only ever takes a few minutes checking the credentials of these guys. we have the bloke who claimed to be a leading climate scientist because he had read the weather on some tinpot tv station. then we have ken ham, who thankfully has moved from australia and made a fortune from donations from the gullible. apparently god will prevent climate change but just in case, he has built a 200 metre ark in his back yard. how the blokes with the butterfly nets have not found him is beyond me. 

then of course, anyone taking a vaccine or believing in the science is either a sheep or living in fear. what utter nonsense. but it is a lot easier to throw that rubbish about than actually support your arguments with facts. 

 

You are my favorite person on here to debate, it’s midnight here in the states. I’ll be sure to reply to you in the morning after I get my kids on zoom since their school is shut down right now because all 27 bus drivers that are vaccinated in their district are sick with covid........ I was hoping for a direct reply from you. In the past our friend Rob has moderated before we could reach an end. Look forward to the debate. Liberals are fun!