the future for scumbag dan and the washington football team

[Kitchen]

13 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

personally, i think so much of this is more about money than politics.  and i'd agree that if anyone dissected most of our lives over decades then the divinities couldn't save us. no doubt almost all of us have said and done stupid and thoughtless things. hopefully we get better with age. but there would also be plenty of things that could now be interpreted in a way detrimental to us that was never intended in the first place. or the world was a different place where things were more accepted than now. it is not easy. 

but to suggest that this equates to people in society thinking they have a right to go through personal correspondence, i don't see that as applying here at all. this is the correspondence from the WFT which is a franchise that is part of the NFL. it is not personal. no doubt there is much that none of us will ever know re the rules and customs within that organisation, but the WFT handed these emails over. there was no court case to try and avoid this. presumably they knew as part of the NFL they had little choice. and they copped a $10 million fine and dan's removal without a squeak. one suspects that dan thinks he got off lightly because he is not known for simply accepting anything like that. 

gruden's emails were not sent to bruce allen's personal email account - he sent them to the account at the WFT. may be he even sent them from his own corporate accounts. this is not someone going over bruce's personal stuff. maybe gruden did not think of that but that is on him. it was not made in private. plus, we all know that there is every chance of crap getting out. so if you make the statements, good chance they will become public. especially if you are high profile and very few people in the NFL are as high profile as gruden - superbowl winning coach and long term commentator. even bruce allen has a high profile for an administrator - i can't believe we will not hear a lot more about him as he seems the link. he was dan's best mate for ten years, he was with gruden at oakland and tampa, he is the bloke pash dealt with. we now see the oakland CEO coming out and saying she had complained about him a number of times at oakland when they were both there. nothing done. 

the fact that so many organisations did nothing so often is why this is coming out. trask said gruden would not work with her. something should have been done. the pash/allen stuff - something should have been done. the WFT cheerleaders years of complaints - something should have been done. and at all times, if something was done, it would never have got to this stage. 

to suggest it is okay to make those statements because it supposedly affected no one at the time, although gruden's actions and comments seem more widespread and the actions in relation to the WFT cheerleaders certainly affected people, is no excuse. these things come out so they will affect people. gruden then lied about it which hardly helps. do you really think that gruden should have continued coaching because his comments were in the past (though clearly some not so far in the past)? would have made for an interesting locker room. 

First, how did I know you would take the bait.  Second, we need to come up with a better abbreviation for the Washington Football Team then WFT since (and I am sure I am not the only one) I keep on reading it as WTF, which is not something I can write out in full here.  

Insofar as your point that Gruden made those comments on a work email, you are certainly correct.  But I do feel that even if he did so on a private account and the NFL someone got a hold of them, they would have still been leaked and his head would have been piked just as hard.  I am not condoning the comments, just that this is becoming common place and it does not bode well for the future.  

People are now being cancelled for things they recorded, even less offensive, in high school as a sophomore, such as singing along with a rap song that they admired and not being the right skin color.  (Makes me glad these things did not exist when I was in high school.)  This just adds to it and makes those whom are pushing this new religion, and it is a religion, based on power at all costs with no forgiveness feel justified with their pursuits.  

Like I said, it is Stalinesque; what is the next step?  

On the bright side, for me, with every new enemy that side of the isle insists on making, my side gets a new ally.  

[MrBirdman]

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

personally, i think so much of this is more about money than politics.

Bingo. This is a league that actively kept knowledge of CTE from its own players - they’re not sacrificing anything on the altar of abstract ideals. Everything they do it to deflect attention so they can go back to making money and getting tax breaks on their stadiums (note: even the stadiums that don’t get public construction dollars all get sales and property tax rebates and the like.)

[El Presidente]

20 minutes ago, Kitchen said:

On the bright side, for me, with every new enemy that side of the isle insists on making, my side gets a new ally.  

...and right there is the real poison. 

"Sides" 

Red V Blue, Black V White, bla bla bla 

[MrBirdman]

8 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

...and right there is the real poison. 

"Sides" 

Red V Blue, Black V White, bla bla bla 

Sports has become the metaphor for all that nonsense. You get all the irrational passion, irrational hatred, rabid thoughtless passion, without any of the fun, all in a competition where regulation never ends and yet somehow every possession is made out to be sudden death. 

 

[Ken Gargett]

8 minutes ago, Kitchen said:

First, how did I know you would take the bait.  Second, we need to come up with a better abbreviation for the Washington Football Team then WFT since (and I am sure I am not the only one) I keep on reading it as WTF, which is not something I can write out in full here.  

Insofar as your point that Gruden made those comments on a work email, you are certainly correct.  But I do feel that even if he did so on a private account and the NFL someone got a hold of them, they would have still been leaked and his head would have been piked just as hard.  I am not condoning the comments, just that this is becoming common place and it does not bode well for the future.  

People are now being cancelled for things they recorded, even less offensive, in high school as a sophomore, such as singing along with a rap song that they admired and not being the right skin color.  (Makes me glad these things did not exist when I was in high school.)  This just adds to it and makes those whom are pushing this new religion, and it is a religion, based on power at all costs with no forgiveness feel justified with their pursuits.  

Like I said, it is Stalinesque; what is the next step?  

On the bright side, for me, with every new enemy that side of the isle insists on making, my side gets a new ally.  

i'm not sure i'd put it as stalinesque but no matter, and i am still convinced that this, for the NFL, is far more about money than sides of politics. 

also, not sure how much this is coming from the NFL. they have a long history of hiding what they can for as long as they can. and they are in full hiding mode here. not sure where the gruden comments came from but i thought it was a NY newspaper who got them somehow. and when gruden claimed out of character etc etc, that newspaper simply released more to prove otherwise. that begs the question, where did they get them, how many did they have, what will happen. i suspect that had it been down to the NFL, we'd never have heard of even these emails. impossible to imagine the NFL deliberately releasing those involving pash. so that then does not come down on the NFL. seems likely to have come from a disgruntled employee of either the WFT or the NFL or someone involved in the investigation who thinks not enough done. or some dill left a briefcase on the train after work and they got passed on. who knows. we may never. 

if some other entity has somehow stolen private emails, they should be prosecuted to the full extent. but these are not private. 

as for the cancelling, looking at it from an international perspective so as not to transgress, completely agree so much is insane. you see gibbering morons trying to tear down churchill. certainly made some very inappropriate comments. difference between him and gruden? well, different times and gruden must have known how inappropriate his were, for starters. and a great deal more. 

all this idea of 'cancelling' and pretending things didn't happen, makes zero sense to me. we can acknowledge history and also that times have changed, but it happened. the idea of tearing down statues of generals etc who supported slavery. i certainly would not be glorifying them but i would move the statues from positions of prominence to museums etc. ignoring what happened makes no sense to me. at the very least, people should not be allowed to forget how easy it is for societies to fall into such ways.

but then we have those such as jefferson. there will be a great many on the forum far more knowledgeable about this history than myself but didn't the bloke own several hundred slaves? does he get wiped out? 

come forward, wiping out churchill? spare me. that is going to put a rather awkward hole in the history books. 

those who seem determined to cancel/wipe out those whose actions that they do not like today really do paint themselves into a corner. lots of artists are now considered off limits because of their lives and actions separate to the books/music etc. and woe betide anyone who reads them or listens. but then we have michael jackson. decades of conduct that should have had him jailed. but those usually cancelling things suddenly find double standards. both sides are beyond hypocritical. and yes, it does not help society. 

ps - every WFT fan agrees with the WTF and we look forward to anything else. 

[Kitchen]

19 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

...and right there is the real poison. 

"Sides" 

Red V Blue, Black V White, bla bla bla 

Axis vs Allied powers ... fair point, I guess. 

We are seeing the creation of a new religion, sparked forth by those whom insist on leaving religions while unknowingly adopting this as the dogma their new religion.  This is why they are so resolute, and outraged over the slightest of slights.  They take it as a personal assault on their faith.   

And this is why it is so sincerely scary, because you cant compromise with people's dogma.  

Once again I am not condoning Gruden's comments, just pointing out it is furthering a forgiveness free faith with standards no one can actually live up to.  The question still stands, what comes after cancelations?

[Ken Gargett]

all of this has convinced me even more, if that were possible, that the human race is just so utterly stuffed. 

and we haven't even touched on climate change!!! 

[MrBirdman]

5 minutes ago, Kitchen said:

The question still stands, what comes after cancelations?

Gulags!

Don’t worry, I’ll make sure they have a seat for you in the smoking carriage on the train there! 😝 

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, Kitchen said:

Axis vs Allied powers ... fair point, I guess. 

We are seeing the creation of a new religion, sparked forth by those whom insist on leaving religions while unknowingly adopting this as the dogma their new religion.  This is why they are so resolute, and outraged over the slightest of slights.  They take it as a personal assault on their faith.   

And this is why it is so sincerely scary, because you cant compromise with people's dogma.  

Once again I am not condoning Gruden's comments, just pointing out it is furthering a forgiveness free faith with standards no one can actually live up to.  The question still stands, what comes after cancelations?

 

I have a problem with Ideology. All ideologies. 

Turbocharged by social media, they revert to an attack on tolerance, respect, open discussion and educated debate. 

I care squat about WFT. I care squat about Gruden and he is one of many who have shot themselves in the foot spruiking defamatory thoughts on company email.

Now the idealogues (sides) pick up the flag and both try to claim the moral high ground for their own divisive purposes. 

Bottom line. Gruden was an idiot. He would likely agree. 

Bottom line. We are all idiots from time to time. It is being human. There is often a price to pay. 

Don't let the idealogues make it more than it is. 

 

 

 

[Ken Gargett]

13 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

 

I have a problem with Ideology. All ideologies. 

Turbocharged by social media, they revert to an attack on tolerance, respect, open discussion and educated debate. 

I care squat about WFT. I care squat about Gruden and he is one of many who have shot themselves in the foot spruiking defamatory thoughts on company email.

Now the idealogues (sides) pick up the flag and both try to claim the moral high ground for their own divisive purposes. 

Bottom line. Gruden was an idiot. He would likely agree. 

Bottom line. We are all idiots from time to time. It is being human. There is often a price to pay. 

Don't let the idealogues make it more than it is. 

 

 

 

i disagree with very little here - well, i do care very much about the WFT and would care even more if they dumped slimy dan and his wife and stopped playing like drunk rhinos on ice skates. and if someone found their defence. seriously, the entire WFT defence is about to appear on a milk carton. 

the problem is that idealogues do not think they are the problem. they don't think they are idealogues normally. they think the other side is. and the other side is just as convinced. 

and so humanity swirls ever downward. 

[anacostiakat]

12 hours ago, El Presidente said:

 

I have a problem with Ideology. All ideologies. 

Turbocharged by social media, they revert to an attack on tolerance, respect, open discussion and educated debate. 

I care squat about WFT. I care squat about Gruden and he is one of many who have shot themselves in the foot spruiking defamatory thoughts on company email.

Now the idealogues (sides) pick up the flag and both try to claim the moral high ground for their own divisive purposes. 

Bottom line. Gruden was an idiot. He would likely agree. 

Bottom line. We are all idiots from time to time. It is being human. There is often a price to pay. 

Don't let the idealogues make it more than it is. 

 

 

 

Agree here!  Being born, raised and residing in District I can say I am no fan of Snyder.  Who can like an owner who sues his own ticket holders!    I try to take a centrist approach where possible.    

[Ken Gargett]

now it might get some traction...

 

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