I'm calling BS on this one.

[El Presidente]

Really. 

This was in an article  I was reading this morning. 

 

" In 2019, 7.6% of students in grades 9 through 12 were cigar smokers in the United States an 2.6 % in grades 6 through 8, according to the CDC."

Does this pass the sniff test?

[mbflash80]

yes because they all use liquor store cigars to wrap their weed in...they arent actually smoking the cigars...simply the wrapper...from what I understand at least

[NSXCIGAR]

Yes, blunt wraps for inner city teenagers. Swisher Sweets, Dutch Masters etc.

I'm looking at the study to see the methodology and questions asked.

I doubt you're seeing much of this:

These tables from the same CDC summary are interesting. Look at the surprisingly large number of females in proportion to males. For adults, men are over three times more likely to smoke cigars than women. This again would tend to indicate these cigars are being used for "other" purposes among youth.

High School Students
Percentage of U.S. high school students who were current cigar smokers† in 2019:10

7.6% of all students in grades 9–12
6.2% of female students in grades 9–12
9.0% of male students in grades 9–12
Middle School Students
Percentage of U.S. middle school students who were current cigar smokers† in 2019:10

2.3% of all U.S. students in grades 6–8
2.0% of female students in grades 6–8
2.7% of male students in grades 6–8

[Greenhorn2]

Sounds about right for the CDC. 

[HarveyBoulevard]

They are including Swishers and Phillies and the like.  Their numbers are likely correct if you include those 'cigars'.  Their numbers are highly exaggerated if you don't include them.

Lies...Damn Lies...& Statistics...

[Hammer Smokin']

so if it isn't the teens, at what age to 'mericans start smoking cigars in order to be one of the fastest growing cigar nations worldwide? 

I'm guessing College years? 

[Meesterjojo]

12 minutes ago, mbflash80 said:

yes because they all use liquor store cigars to wrap their weed in...they arent actually smoking the cigars...simply the wrapper...from what I understand at least

This. Having worked at a grocery store between gigs in the recent past I can confirm the number of kids I've denied selling swisher or backwoods to. It's a lot.

[SCgarman]

I don't believe anything the CDC says anymore. They have lost all credibility. But if kids are buying cigars they are likely the cheap machine made drug store ones. Not premium handmade cigars we enjoy.

[Cairo]

42 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

cigar smokers

Cigar smokers? no

Cigar owners of blunts with weed in them?  sure

Amusing error, actually--shows blatant ignorance of the world outside their air conditioned offices.

[Corylax18]

Some Genius Entrepreneur Invented the blunt wrap at least 25 years ago. Most kids haven't hollowed out actual Black and Milds or White owls for a long time. The FDA is so full of shit. They've intentionally warped the numbers so badly that you cant trust a word they say. I guess if you count every kid, that has ever, even one time, consumed any type of "Cigar Adjacent" product (including the sheets of chopped tobacco and binder below) at any point in the last 18 months. Then you might get close to the numbers listed above, maybe.  

[Chas.Alpha]

Y’all likely know where I’m headed with this week’s review... 🤥

 

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[Jimmy_jack]

This is 100% regarding blunts and blunt wrappers.it’s a bullshit propaganda campaign.

[Meesterjojo]

Yall see where this is heading. How many more years until cigars are done for as a way to keep kids off smoking/drugs?

We need one of those annoying lobby groups like the nra, as much as I'm loath to suggest it. 

[Hammer Smokin']

actually, cannabis (the new marketing label for pot) is not considered a drug. It's isn't marketed as a drug. It isn't legally seen as a drug. 

Tobacco is considered considerably worse than cannabis. 

So any cigars being done for will not to be done to keep kids from smoking cannabis, rather, from smoking tobacco. 

All because of massive marijuana lobbyist groups who have been active for half a century. 

[Fuzz]

I would have to answer in the positive if asked this back in high school, and no, I was not smoking blunts. I started smoking cigars when I was 16-17.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Some Genius Entrepreneur Invented the blunt wrap at least 25 years ago. Most kids haven't hollowed out actual Black and Milds or White owls for a long time.

Are those Blunt Wraps cheaper per "cigar" than Black & Mild, White Owl etc.? I would imagine the kids are going with whatever's cheapest and/or most easily accessible. Also it's a little easier to explain if caught with a pack of cigars than a pack of what are essentially rolling papers. 

 

1 hour ago, Fuzz said:

I would have to answer in the positive if asked this back in high school, and no, I was not smoking blunts. I started smoking cigars when I was 16-17.

I thought I was early in 7th grade. This thing goes back to 6th graders. Wow.

I will say that the first real cigars I ever had (can't include the Johnson Smith giant gag cigar) was a partial 5-pack of Tiparillos. So I suppose I fit the profile, lol.

[PigFish]

Wake me up when this topic comes back around to the CDC and the mask issue... -LOL

CDC, constantly driving confusion!

-the Pig

[Huckleberry]

I leave boxes of newly received habanos all over the house sometimes.  My coolidor is in the basement where my son lives and his friends congregate.  They are between the ages of 14-17 and otherwise unruly.  These mischievous fellas have never touched a single cigar.  How do I know, I have a photographic memory for such things.  Not only have they not touched them, they think I am crazy for smoking them and not one has every asked a single question about them.

The CDC doesn't know their heads from their asses....see how they have handled the bat herpes if you doubt me

Youngsters buy a lot of grape flavored cigars, not sure they are smoking them as cigars.

[SmokyFontaine]

Well what the hell else do you get for your 5th grader for graduating elementary school? My 10yro really enjoys the Bolivar line. His 4yro sister likes a good petit corona. Monte 4.

[Corylax18]

12 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Are those Blunt Wraps cheaper per "cigar" than Black & Mild, White Owl etc.? I would imagine the kids are going with whatever's cheapest and/or most easily accessible. Also it's a little easier to explain if caught with a pack of cigars than a pack of what are essentially rolling papers. 

Its been a while since I purchased any, but they used to be a buck for the two pack, so 50 cents each. It doesn't get much cheaper than that. They're also quicker/easier to use, Very soft and flexible, its the same ultra low grade tobacco, just chopped to a fine powder and mixed with a lot of binders to make a sheet. Agreed, on the getting caught thing, but that hasn't been a real issue for years. Haha. 

 

13 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

actually, cannabis (the new marketing label for pot) is not considered a drug. It's isn't marketed as a drug. It isn't legally seen as a drug. 

Tobacco is considered considerably worse than cannabis. 

So any cigars being done for will not to be done to keep kids from smoking cannabis, rather, from smoking tobacco. 

All because of massive marijuana lobbyist groups who have been active for half a century. 

They're called NORMl (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) and don't be jealous!! They are brilliant!!! They have somehow, despite nary a shred of real science, convinced the country that weed is medicine. Its a wonderful panacea, no more Reefer Madness here! We need them on our side, badly!! I'm sure there are some therapeutic uses to certain chemicals contained within marijuana. I'm also sure that about 95% of people with medical cards in the States just get them because they want to smoke weed. 

[Hammer Smokin']

I will admit, sheepishly, that I participated in NORML activities in my teen years. Even got a reference from them for my first job. 

Cannabis advocacy is light years ahead of tobacco advocacy. In fact, tobacco advocacy does not exist. 

Cannabis had to separate itself from other forms of real drugs. 

Tobacco has to market and distinguish a difference between Cigars and Cigarettes. But I don't think anyone really cares to do that. You look around here. There is no shortage of buyers. Maybe the long term future of Cigar smoking may be at risk. But that'll be long after anyone on this board. 

[JohnnyO]

Years ago I sent a box of cigars to a BOTL that never arrived. We went back and forth with the PO and the mailman trying to locate them. A few weeks later, he asks his 16 year old son in the garage if he knew anything about the cigars. His son was there smoking with his buddies. He replied:" Oh yeah Dad these are great". John

[Chibearsv]

In High School I used cigars for smoking and used Zig Zags for my other smoking.  Cigarettes and chewing tobacco were much more popular than cigars.  However, our school was ranked one of the highest (pun intended) in the country for marijuana use.  I recall something like 96% usage for all students.  If tobacco blunts are being used now and qualify as "cigars", that would definitely kick up "cigar" usage.

[Notsocleaver]

And how exactly is the CDC getting this information? I'm reminded of The Lizardman's Constant. Nothing scream's accuracy quite like asking kids to give honest answers to random questions given to them by authority figures that have no power over them.