NW_Oregon Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 With republicans no longer holding a majority I wonder if this will move forward now. I do wonder what this would mean for cuban cigars if they were suddenly allowed to be imported to the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_jack Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Do you have a link? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW_Oregon Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 are we allowed to do external links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, NW_Oregon said: With republicans no longer holding a majority I wonder if this will move forward now. I do wonder what this would mean for cuban cigars if they were suddenly allowed to be imported to the US. Doesn't matter. You need 60 votes, no way 10 GOP will vote yay. Hypothetically, if/when Cuban cigars are ever imported into the US "legally" they will likely be taxed into oblivion and only the most wealthy will be able to afford them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGipper Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 The 2019 text of the bill is here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/428/text?format=txt Appears to essentially be a full repeal of the embargo, despite the typically misleading title. It did not have 100% Dem support in 2019. In a 50-50 Senate, that would be necessary to pass this, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, NW_Oregon said: are we allowed to do external links? No problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW_Oregon Posted May 26, 2021 Author Share Posted May 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jimmy_jack said: Do you have a link? here's a press release from Senator Moran, one of the R's supporting the bill - https://www.moran.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2021/5/sens-moran-klobuchar-leahy-introduce-legislation-to-lift-cuba-trade-embargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, NYgarman said: Doesn't matter. You need 60 votes, no way 10 GOP will vote yay. I don't think 10 GOP is that much of a stretch anymore, but I don't think they could get 10 presently. Even if passed I'm not sure how that would work considering: Biden renews Trump determination Cuba 'not cooperating' on antiterrorism efforts https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/555488-biden-renews-trump-listing-of-cuba-as-state-sponsor-of-terror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichG Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I am sure this is discussed elsewhere on this forum, but how would Cuba ever be able to sustain the demand of an open US market? Does anyone know of any data or studies by Habanos regarding the eventual reality of full US demand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, RichG-LI-NY said: I am sure this is discussed elsewhere on this forum, but how would Cuba ever be able to sustain the demand of an open US market? Does anyone know of any data or studies by Habanos regarding the eventual reality of full US demand? Officially, they (HSA) estimate that the US will take 30% of production. Reality: the US could take close to 100% Reality: Habanos ran out of D4's (25's)/Monte 2 and CORO at different times over the past 12 months. I estimate 18% of their existing portfolio is not in production. The winners will be the Chinese owners and sellers on BR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Tigre Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, RichG-LI-NY said: I am sure this is discussed elsewhere on this forum, but how would Cuba ever be able to sustain the demand of an open US market? Does anyone know of any data or studies by Habanos regarding the eventual reality of full US demand? 1999-2002 all over again…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW_Oregon Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 I think it'd probably take a longer for them to recover. They would have to reinvest quite a bit of money into production and distribution, and it would take a while to see that ramp up, if it even happens they have so many other parts of their economy where the money is needed that I just don't see it being a quick turn around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairo Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 4 hours ago, NYgarman said: Hypothetically, if/when Cuban cigars are ever imported into the US "legally" they will likely be taxed into oblivion and only the most wealthy will be able to afford them. I agree--probably looking at both steep federal and state taxes--and some state mail order bans as well. That has been my excuse for going deep on my favorites. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 I expected there to be some movement to remove the previous admin's policies towards Cuba when the new admin took office. But only crickets! LOL This is interesting of course but don't think it will go anywhere. Hope springs eternal though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_jack Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 It will be a difficult long road to get CC into the US market when any embargo is lifted and trade starts. Years will pass before any legal B&M sales commence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Long live the black market! ... although, I have a potential free rent deal on a building in Spokane WA. Who knows!!! Flying Piggy's Cigar Emporium ... -LOL -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 19 hours ago, El Presidente said: The winners will be the Chinese owners and sellers on BR. No, I think the winner will be you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 3 hours ago, PigFish said: Who knows!!! Flying Piggy's Cigar Emporium ... -LOL I should have registered/copyrighted that Flying Cigars, Flying Pigs, Flying Habanos stuff long time ago .... 🙂 LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCgarman Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Jimmy_jack said: It will be a difficult long road to get CC into the US market when any embargo is lifted and trade starts. Years will pass before any legal B&M sales commence. And depending your age some of us will be dead. I am 55 and this likely won't happen in my lifetime. And my 15 year old daughter could care less. She isn't into cigars and chances are never will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichG Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, NYgarman said: And depending your age some of us will be dead. I am 55 and this likely won't happen in my lifetime. And my 15 year old daughter could care less. She isn't into cigars and chances are never will be. At the weird direction society is headed, smoking may be illegal altogether by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La_Tigre Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Investing a grip of money into building up infrastructure in an island country…what could ever go wrong. People love to visit the islands… /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBirdman Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 You guys think Cohiba are expensive now? Vote No! Seriously, unless tobacco import and customs rules changed everyone would keep buying tax-free from abroad - cigar shipments for personal use are permitted and the de minimis tariff exemption in the US is $800 - still enough for most boxes even if accurately valued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 16 hours ago, Nino said: I should have registered/copyrighted that Flying Cigars, Flying Pigs, Flying Habanos stuff long time ago .... 🙂 LOL I forgot about your blog brother! Swimming Piggy‘a Cigar Emporium. We can be friends again. -lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corylax18 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Even if this passed tomorrow (it wont) I could see it taking a solid Decade before any Cuban Cigar was sold in the U.S. As others have said, there are some places where tobacco purchases may be outright illegal by that point. The markups between the Single distributor and Dozens of retailers clamoring for a piece of the action would be massive, the black market will still thrive. 15 hours ago, RichG-LI-NY said: At the weird direction society is headed, smoking may be illegal altogether by then. What do Cigars have to do with Smoking?? Haha HSA is positioning themselves Very well for the Flashy, Collectable, Instagram future of cigars. Who cares if the cigar is plugged? As long as it has shiny packaging and photographs well, it'll sell like hotcakes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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