It's Official! Washington Redskins Retired

[Meklown]

3 hours ago, Fuzz said:

If they did call them the Washington Reds. would the fans be called the "Red Army"....  

Wow I have heard "red army" being chanted at every Arsenal (English football) game I have attended and never once did it strike me that there could be a political connotation to that.

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, Meklown said:

Wow I have heard "red army" being chanted at every Arsenal (English football) game I have attended and never once did it strike me that there could be a political connotation to that.

sadly these days, you probably could not even hear that chant over the sound of weeping. 

it has also never been an issue for the Queensland reds either. 

[Ken Gargett]

a last ditch plea for the name to be the sentinels. how could you not watch this without grinning? for those not familiar, they have just been jailed for a bar fight against the striking players. 

they also beat dallas, just like the real replacements did in one of the all time great skins games.

https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tFP1zcsNM0ytSgsLzdg9FItyUhVKEotyElMTs1NzSspVsjNL8tMVchUKM_MyVEoLi0qyyxLBQDdTBLC&q=the+replacements+movie+i+will+survive&oq=the+replacements+movie+i+w&aqs=chrome.1.0j46j69i57j0l5.34447j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[La_Tigre]

12 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

as for teams like the chiefs, just as it has been for the redskins, the problem is that there are the people with a genuine grievance in these matters (and these are the people who should have a say in these things) and then all those that think they should get on board (a mate calls them virtue signalers) simply because they think they should be seen to taking that position and then all those that just need a cause to make them relevant. they could not care what it is as long as they are tearing something down. 

anyone really think that once the skins have gone that they won't turn on teams like the chiefs or the yankees or even those slave-owning patriots or oppressive cowboys.

So, emboldened by the outcome, should Dan remove Washington, too, and save the rebranding dollars in a few years?

***Edit: My point: how far down the rabbit hole does this all go. Those that seek change now redoubling the effort.

[99call]

I do agree with the need for renaming. If there are valid communities that find this to be distasteful and offensive, then a change needs to be made.  Many might say "it's political correctness gone mad".  I think unwarranted political correctness is definitely out there i the world, but in the case I think it's pretty cut and shut.  Some might say, it's just silly and unnecessary......well I think it would be hard to argue, what could be more silly and unnecessary than thousands of fans wanting to dance around pretending to be Native Americans.

I bigger point I'd raise is, how bloody boring and characterless do some places have to be, that they have to adopt some sort of synthetic imagined culture.  A case in point. Exeter Chiefs in the UK, is a very successful rugby team, and was renamed the Chiefs in 1999.   They also dress up, do the tomahawk chop, etc etc.     

My question is this.... how much of a bloody sad indictment of your town is it, that you're not only misappropriating a culture,  but also an entirely different country?.   As a bit of background, Exeter has a very rich Roman history, and became very affluent out of the wool trade.    If you want to go down a super cheesy name route,  why not the "Exeter Rams",  Or the "Exeter Legion".          I'm not saying it's 100% necessary to have a club named after the real history of the place, but I think it's a bonus when you do.

Personally I find nothing wrong with Exeter Rugby Club! as it used to be, I don't need plastic adornments or accessories, or face paint, or fireworks.   8 pint of beer and good pie should be your only requirements at the rugby

[teamrandr]

I think it is strange 

[SirVantes]

2 hours ago, 99call said:

I bigger point I'd raise is, how bloody boring and characterless do some places have to be, that they have to adopt some sort of synthetic imagined culture.

I'm still waiting for Saracens v Crusaders. 

Were the old boys of the Philological School in Marylebone honouring or denigrating the "endurance, enthusiasm and perceived invincibility of Saladin's warriors of the 12th century"?  Can a city named Christchurch name their team the Crusaders? Can anybody?

[99call]

22 minutes ago, SirVantes said:

I'm still waiting for Saracens v Crusaders. 

Were the old boys of the Philological School in Marylebone honouring or denigrating the "endurance, enthusiasm and perceived invincibility of Saladin's warriors of the 12th century"?  Can a city named Christchurch name their team the Crusaders? Can anybody?

I get where you're coming from,  all i'm suggesting is that for any city in the world, you could probably come up with 3-4 relevant names.  One of those names will likely be successful in:

- Conducive to being marketed

- Non topical

- Not sounding stupid.

I just think whomever is charged with coming up with these names, is doing a cack handed job. 

 

[99call]

14 minutes ago, SirVantes said:

Saracens v Crusaders

By the way, it would be a great game

[SirVantes]

Just now, 99call said:

By the way, it would be a great game

Absolutely

[99call]

Just now, SirVantes said:

Absolutely

So annoying that world rugby don't seem able to get their act together, and sync the seasons.   Hopefully one day it will happen, and we can see some international champions leagues

[anacostiakat]

As having been born, raised and currently reside in Washington DC/ it is a bit bittersweet to lose something you grew up with and remember walking to RFK Stadium or taking a short bus ride to the games.  But the name/logo change doesnt really bother me.  Keeping the color scheme is important to me.  It is important to me that they don't rename them something stupid.  ?  War Hogs would be cool but I am hoping for Red Wolves!  

More importantly I am hoping that with the hiring of a new coach and his staff along with the restructuring the team will become competitive again.  I believe they have had good drafts of late and have a young team that can build a winning tradition.  Hope springs eternal.....

[ElLoboLoco]

Let’s be honest.

They should be called The Sucks

[BrightonCorgi]

On 7/13/2020 at 9:46 AM, MooseAMuffin said:

I don't think they will make us change our name but I do think the Tomahawk Chop will go away and maybe even Warpaint ?

I'd be more upset about losing Warpaint than the chop. 

Their name will have to change.  Any team's name that is an association to any group of people cannot be.  It's offensive.

[MooseAMuffin]

1 hour ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Their name will have to change.  Any team's name that is an association to any group of people cannot be.  It's offensive.

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone finding the word Chief as derogatory or offensive. If so, say goodbye to CEO, COO, police chief, fire chief, etc. 

You could say that our Tomahawk Chop (which includes beating a war drum and chanting), could be taken in an offensive manner. But I don't think most people would find Chief offensive.

Fun fact, we are actually named after the nickname of our former mayor, H. Roe Bartle. Long story short, he spent time incorporating Native American values into the US Boy Scouts and created a Native American based honor society within the Scouts. People started calling him "The Chief" because of this and then a fan recommended naming the team after him and that's how we got our name. 

@BoliDan, I'd be interested to know what your wife thinks if Chiefs as a team name.

[inter4alia]

1 hour ago, MooseAMuffin said:

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone finding the word Chief as derogatory or offensive. If so, say goodbye to CEO, COO, police chief, fire chief, etc. 

 

Well, here ya go: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/06/17/city-of-duluth-moves-to-remove-the-word-chief-from-key-job-titles

[rp99pts]

And this is only the beginning.  The woke mob now smells blood in the water because the Redskins caved.   Get ready Chiefs, Braves, Blackhawks ETC..  You're next!!!!!

[MooseAMuffin]

1 hour ago, inter4alia said:

Well, here ya go: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/06/17/city-of-duluth-moves-to-remove-the-word-chief-from-key-job-titles

First time for everything. Good find!

Can't say I agree with the decision. I am going to need a book on all the words I can't say anymore, too many to keep track of.

[Guest Nekhyludov]

As far as I can see, this decision has nothing whatsoever to do with anything other than naked capitalism - not principle or culture or anything else. He who pays the piper calls the tune. And the tune changed.

Those of us who root for professional sports franchises are just rooting for billion dollar corporations. It's not different from cheering for Walmart or Toyota or Unilever. Their job is to make money - nothing more and nothing less. This is where the money is, so that's where the corporation goes.

The thing I find hilarious is that because Dan Snyder was literally the last person to see the writing on the wall, some random guy was able to copyright all of the likely alternative names (Redtails, Warriors, Monuments, even Washington Football Club!). And now Snyder is gonna have to pay through the nose to do what he could easily have done long ago. 

[Ken Gargett]

10 hours ago, anacostiakat said:

As having been born, raised and currently reside in Washington DC/ it is a bit bittersweet to lose something you grew up with and remember walking to RFK Stadium or taking a short bus ride to the games.  But the name/logo change doesnt really bother me.  Keeping the color scheme is important to me.  It is important to me that they don't rename them something stupid.  ?  War Hogs would be cool but I am hoping for Red Wolves!  

More importantly I am hoping that with the hiring of a new coach and his staff along with the restructuring the team will become competitive again.  I believe they have had good drafts of late and have a young team that can build a winning tradition.  Hope springs eternal.....

agreed. 

[alloy]

And what did Dan Snyder do to you sir?

Apparently, according to yahoo sports, the realtor in Virginia is just going to let the team name it's new name without compensation. And you just know yahoo news and sports are "always" correct! ?

[Ken Gargett]

58 minutes ago, alloy said:

And what did Dan Snyder do to you sir?

Apparently, according to yahoo sports, the realtor in Virginia is just going to let the team name it's new name without compensation. And you just know yahoo news and sports are "always" correct! ?

apparently he has a house full of merchandise for everything he registered (it really is dimwitted to think that they didn't register a heap of possibles, although i gather dan has a few so the name may come from there). this guy would have to prove some form of use (a broad generalisation and i am sure that someone would be able to explain what he needs to do in greater depth) and that might not be easy.

i gather he even registered washington red pandas. bring it on! 

[NSXCIGAR]

Texas Rangers next:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/13/texas-rangers-team-name-must-go/%3foutputType=amp

[BoliDan]

14 hours ago, MooseAMuffin said:

I don't think I have ever heard of anyone finding the word Chief as derogatory or offensive. If so, say goodbye to CEO, COO, police chief, fire chief, etc. 

You could say that our Tomahawk Chop (which includes beating a war drum and chanting), could be taken in an offensive manner. But I don't think most people would find Chief offensive.

Fun fact, we are actually named after the nickname of our former mayor, H. Roe Bartle. Long story short, he spent time incorporating Native American values into the US Boy Scouts and created a Native American based honor society within the Scouts. People started calling him "The Chief" because of this and then a fan recommended naming the team after him and that's how we got our name. 

@BoliDan, I'd be interested to know what your wife thinks if Chiefs as a team name.

She's fine with the chiefs as a name. "Chiefs" is not a derogatory term to her. It's pretty much the same as the LA Kings to her. Just a name of a historical high powered position that is more relevant us. I mentioned in my post that she actually likes the "Chop". Also she we're in Denver so her saying that as a Broncos fan has some weight. Sorry, I'm from New England, so I hate your team as well as my wife's. I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

[BoliDan]

2 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Texas Rangers next:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/13/texas-rangers-team-name-must-go/%3foutputType=amp

OK. This is the first of the many ridiculous one's the @ElJavi76 brought up last night, which I mentioned in my post. Wow... I didn't think it was real... Yeah we're getting way too sensitive now'n'days... I stick by my "Redskins" reaction nonetheless.