It's Official! Washington Redskins Retired

[PuffDaddie]

What a shame!

[El Presidente]

11 minutes ago, Deeg said:

It certainly should be, since it’s just a platform for political venting.

Only if people decide to do so.  

Handled properly, there is no reason it needs to be shut down. 

[Ken Gargett]

has been coming for ages. a while back, i hated the thought but lately, does not bother me at all. dan swore that it would not happen but when sponsors started threatening he caved faster than the skins secondary. with respect to the post above, i've heard claims from other native americans that they love the name and the team. but i am hardly in a position to judge from here. i really do not know. but if it genuinely causes hurt, and it certainly seems that there is no doubt that it does, surely time to change. 

one issue is that dan has made large contributions to the native american communities through his foundation (that might be why he gets some support for the name). you can bet that dan won't be continuing that. which is unfortunate. dan giving up the fight is about money. it is not about dan doing the right thing.

they were called something else before they became the redskins. no one is now bothered by that now but i'll bet there was plenty of screaming at the time. 

the colours remain. i gather they are trying hard to work in a name that they can use with the song. also, i gather they like the 'R' in the logo. 

lots of speculation about the new name. redtails was an early favourite. meant nothing to me but apparently refers to a group of black airmen from WWII? but seriously, every other team would be talking about getting themselves some tail, every time they played us. 

personally, i love the hogs. possibly the pigskins. i can even live with the sentinels (the washington team in the movie 'the replacements' - cracking film, great cast, even if a little absurd. every time i see the 'i will survive' scene in the jail cell, i end up in fits of giggles and tears. ditto the scenes with the pole-dancing cheerleaders). 

favourites at the moment seem to be the red wolves (i'd prefer just wolves) and the warriors. it is believed that dan likes the warriors. 

as for teams like the chiefs, just as it has been for the redskins, the problem is that there are the people with a genuine grievance in these matters (and these are the people who should have a say in these things) and then all those that think they should get on board (a mate calls them virtue signalers) simply because they think they should be seen to taking that position and then all those that just need a cause to make them relevant. they could not care what it is as long as they are tearing something down. 

anyone really think that once the skins have gone that they won't turn on teams like the chiefs or the yankees or even those slave-owning patriots or oppressive cowboys? 

of course, the fans will react exactly as per our friend suggests above, which is exactly how skins fans originally reacted. but once they turn their attention to these things, it is almost just a matter of time. may take years but anyone thinking that the redskins will be the last name change is kidding themselves. fans might tell themselves that their owners will never cave. faced with the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars, they'll cave. it may take years but just watch. 

now if anyone could have convinced us that changing the name of the skins would have meant winning more games, it would have gone years ago. that said, in this age of never-ending conspiracies, there are fans who are convinced that the umpires penalise us unfairly because of the name. so who knows, perhaps we will win more! 

but this is for me, without wanting to get political, very much like the gay marriage debate we had here. all sorts of screaming and yelling from all sides with predictions for the end of civilisation whichever way it went. two minutes after it was done, no one has given a toss again. it will be a monster non-issue a week after the change (one fan hates the idea because changing the name will rob him of watching phil simms declare how he will never use the name during commentary and then watching him keep forgetting). 

 

 

[Deeg]

49 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Only if people decide to do so.  

Handled properly, there is no reason it needs to be shut down. 

I would respectfully counter that the entire first page is evidence that people already decided to do so. But wading into it will only make it worse, so I'll just steer clear.

[Capt. Corona]

My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past.  I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit.  We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ?

 

.......?

[Chibearsv]

Even though I doubt that the Redskins name stoked any kind of hatred towards native Americans, it certainly didn’t honor them. I think Washington missed a golden opportunity years ago to take the higher ground and make the change that seemed inevitable anyway. They could have made the change with positivity. Instead, now it feels like they’re being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  I’m not sure that this is the the slippery slope that Ken is describing but again, maybe it is. In this case though, maybe we will be sliding up instead of down. ?

[Cloud]

Well it is about $&*% time!  Redskins is a horrible name to have for a team name in this day and age and surprised it lasted this long.  Can’t imagine a team called the black skins or white skins...but somehow redskins was ok until 2020!

[JY0]

The Navaho Nation today suggested 'The Washington Code Talkers'.

 

Beautiful family BoliDan!

[Ken Gargett]

1 hour ago, Capt. Corona said:

My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past.  I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit.  We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ?

 

.......?

yes, one i forgot. 

they might get away with it because they killed everyone and left no one to complain. 

 

1 hour ago, Chibearsv said:

Even though I doubt that the Redskins name stoked any kind of hatred towards native Americans, it certainly didn’t honor them. I think Washington missed a golden opportunity years ago to take the higher ground and make the change that seemed inevitable anyway. They could have made the change with positivity. Instead, now it feels like they’re being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  I’m not sure that this is the the slippery slope that Ken is describing but again, maybe it is. In this case though, maybe we will be sliding up instead of down. ?

it sort of is. you can bet that we would not be changing if there was not so much pressure, especially financial pressure. dan has avoided caving to all the pressure in the world until it hit his pocket. then it was over in seconds. 

yes, it would have been nice to get ahead of it but there was never any chance of that. 

 

1 hour ago, JY0 said:

The Navaho Nation today suggested 'The Washington Code Talkers'.

 

Beautiful family BoliDan!

no chance. my belief is that they will not touch anything with any connection to native americans. once bitten, if you like. and there will be those that then want that changed. 

also, fitting code talkers into the song and chants is near impossible. let alone the problems with a logo. 

[BoliDan]

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

has been coming for ages. a while back, i hated the thought but lately, does not bother me at all. dan swore that it would not happen but when sponsors started threatening he caved faster than the skins secondary. with respect to the post above, i've heard claims from other native americans that they love the name and the team. but i am hardly in a position to judge from here. i really do not know. but if it genuinely causes hurt, and it certainly seems that there is no doubt that it does, surely time to change. 

one issue is that dan has made large contributions to the native american communities through his foundation (that might be why he gets some support for the name). you can bet that dan won't be continuing that. which is unfortunate. dan giving up the fight is about money. it is not about dan doing the right thing.

they were called something else before they became the redskins. no one is now bothered by that now but i'll bet there was plenty of screaming at the time. 

the colours remain. i gather they are trying hard to work in a name that they can use with the song. also, i gather they like the 'R' in the logo. 

lots of speculation about the new name. redtails was an early favourite. meant nothing to me but apparently refers to a group of black airmen from WWII? but seriously, every other team would be talking about getting themselves some tail, every time they played us. 

personally, i love the hogs. possibly the pigskins. i can even live with the sentinels (the washington team in the movie 'the replacements' - cracking film, great cast, even if a little absurd. every time i see the 'i will survive' scene in the jail cell, i end up in fits of giggles and tears. ditto the scenes with the pole-dancing cheerleaders). 

favourites at the moment seem to be the red wolves (i'd prefer just wolves) and the warriors. it is believed that dan likes the warriors. 

as for teams like the chiefs, just as it has been for the redskins, the problem is that there are the people with a genuine grievance in these matters (and these are the people who should have a say in these things) and then all those that think they should get on board (a mate calls them virtue signalers) simply because they think they should be seen to taking that position and then all those that just need a cause to make them relevant. they could not care what it is as long as they are tearing something down. 

anyone really think that once the skins have gone that they won't turn on teams like the chiefs or the yankees or even those slave-owning patriots or oppressive cowboys? 

of course, the fans will react exactly as per our friend suggests above, which is exactly how skins fans originally reacted. but once they turn their attention to these things, it is almost just a matter of time. may take years but anyone thinking that the redskins will be the last name change is kidding themselves. fans might tell themselves that their owners will never cave. faced with the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars, they'll cave. it may take years but just watch. 

now if anyone could have convinced us that changing the name of the skins would have meant winning more games, it would have gone years ago. that said, in this age of never-ending conspiracies, there are fans who are convinced that the umpires penalise us unfairly because of the name. so who knows, perhaps we will win more! 

but this is for me, without wanting to get political, very much like the gay marriage debate we had here. all sorts of screaming and yelling from all sides with predictions for the end of civilisation whichever way it went. two minutes after it was done, no one has given a toss again. it will be a monster non-issue a week after the change (one fan hates the idea because changing the name will rob him of watching phil simms declare how he will never use the name during commentary and then watching him keep forgetting). 

 

 

My sad friend, give us a new name that would not sadden you other than the Washington Kenny G's or Basil Possums.

[Ken Gargett]

34 minutes ago, BoliDan said:

My sad friend, give us a new name that would not sadden you other than the Washington Kenny G's.

as mentioned, BD, happy with hogs (don't see it), sentinels (no chance) or wolves - can live with redwolves or warriors. 

redwolves allows them to keep using the 'R' which i gather they like.

our state rugby team is simply known as the Reds. i could live with the Washington Reds but can you imagine the tweets!! communists! so that has zero chance. 

provided it is not a truly terribly name (who else can see snyder calling them the 'Dans'?), won't bother me. if it gave us one extra win, they can call them the girlyboys for all matters. perhaps not. 

 

34 minutes ago, BoliDan said:

My sad friend, give us a new name that would not sadden you other than the Washington Kenny G's.

BD, my apologies. i was not thinking of you when i said the Dans was a terrible name. just snyder calling the team after himself. 

[MooseAMuffin]

9 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

redwolves allows them to keep using the 'R' which i gather they like.

our state rugby team is simply known as the Reds. i could live with the Washington Reds but can you imagine the tweets!! communists! so that has zero chance. 

What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R.

Or if you want to be more scientific, we do have a breed of pig called Red Wattle Hogs ?

Also, agree with you on the Reds. We'd just call em commies, and when they continue to lose we would be able to say "See, communism doesn't work!"

[BoliDan]

15 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

BD, my apologies. i was not thinking of you when i said the Dans was a terrible name. just snyder calling the team after himself. 

If they named themselves that, they would have a new fan. I'm very easily marketed to

I think they just go with 1776ers. This will make their fan base grow (at least sell jerseys) instead of cause a diaspora.

[Fuzz]

1 hour ago, Capt. Corona said:

My Vikings were a great group of well loved people in the past.  I mean they only plundered, pillaged and killed everyone and everything in their path for their on well being and benefit.  We should be safe with that name for decades to come! ?

 

.......?

[Fuzz]

46 minutes ago, MooseAMuffin said:

What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R.

Or if you want to be more scientific, we do have a breed of pig called Red Wattle Hogs ?

Also, agree with you on the Reds. We'd just call em commies, and when they continue to lose we would be able to say "See, communism doesn't work!"

If they did call them the Washington Reds. would the fans be called the "Red Army"....  

[Hoepssa]

 

Modern people are so soft.

Now who tell US army/navy/air force to change those weapons with names 'stole' from Indians?

[NSXCIGAR]

What are they going to do with this?

[NSXCIGAR]

I think it's a great thing. As soon as the Washington Bullets became the Wizards all the murders stopped.

[Fuzz]

2 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I think it's a great thing. As soon as the Washington Bullets became the Wizards all the murders stopped.

Yes, but unregistered magic use went up 500%.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, MooseAMuffin said:

What about Red Hogs? Keeps the R.

My high school went from Redskins to Red Hawks. However, there is no such thing as a "Red Hawk"...

I will also add that growing up in a heavily historic area with deep Native American ties we always saw the Redskins name as nothing but respectful and honoring of the Native Americans. We had very few if any Native Americans in the area and our area was 90%+ caucasian.

[NSXCIGAR]

1 minute ago, Fuzz said:

Yes, but unregistered magic use went up 500%.

Unintended consequences indeed.

[Markspring1978]

The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. 

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/

What I personally question is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? 

[Ken Gargett]

6 minutes ago, Markspring1978 said:

The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. 

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/

What I personally question, is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? 

really interesting piece. thanks for that. 

[Fuzz]

9 minutes ago, Hoepssa said:

 

Modern people are so soft.

Now who tell US army/navy/air force to change those weapons with names 'stole' from Indians?

I don't see the names as appropriation. I was curious many years ago and did a bit of a search for the reasons why. The names are meant to honor the fierce, aggressive spirit of the Native American Indian warriors. Several Indian tribes were consulted on the names, and some even attended the naming ceremonies and blessed the aircraft.

Then again, I'm not a Native American Indian. 

[KCCubano]

1 hour ago, Markspring1978 said:

The RS logo was designed by a tribal member of the Blackfoot tribe here in my home state of Montana. Really mixed feelings, even here amongst tribal members about this change. 

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/07/13/washington-redskins-name-change-logo-nfl-montana-tribal-member-reactions/5427491002/

What I personally question is the political correctness in the cancel culture that demands change, just to make a statement. Sports mascots are not demonstrations of inferiority, but rather strength. Does it really honor a culture to erase it? 

The designers son is not overly thrilled about this change