Pre-embargo cigars

[gojira]

Does anyone know of a website (such as Cubancigarwebsite) that catalogues Cuban pre-emargo cigars? I'm especially looking for some info on  the Por Larranaga Royales. Any help would be appreciated.

[cigcars]

       *If you want access to the actual pre-Embargo cigars of the period then go to www.gothamcigarmuseum.com and you will find both pre-Embargo and Clear Havana cigars that can be bought at much more reasonable prices than are offered on some cigar sales sites. Of course, this was some years ago and to the best of my knowledge they should still be accessible. Good luck with that! 

[99call]

6 hours ago, gojira said:

Does anyone know of a website (such as Cubancigarwebsite) that catalogues Cuban pre-emargo cigars? I'm especially looking for some info on  the Por Larranaga Royales. Any help would be appreciated.

I've not seen anything other than this. 

 

[benfica_77]

55 minutes ago, cigcars said:

       *If you want access to the actual pre-Embargo cigars of the period then go to www.gothamcigarmuseum.com and you will find both pre-Embargo and Clear Havana cigars that can be bought at much more reasonable prices than are offered on some cigar sales sites. Of course, this was some years ago and to the best of my knowledge they should still be accessible. Good luck with that! 

looks like the website is private. How do you gain access? 

[gojira]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

I've not seen anything other than this. 

 

I only came up with this as well.

[99call]

12 minutes ago, gojira said:

I only came up with this as well.

what is it exactly that your wanting to find out?

[gojira]

17 minutes ago, 99call said:

what is it exactly that your wanting to find out?

When they started producing these, if there were other boxes produced on the top of the 25 count one, stuff like that. Just curious about what I will be lighting up, lol. I really don't know much about pre-emargo cigars and this will be the first that I'll smoke.

[99call]

22 minutes ago, gojira said:

When they started producing these, if there were other boxes produced on the top of the 25 count one, stuff like that. Just curious about what I will be lighting up, lol. I really don't know much about pre-emargo cigars and this will be the first that I'll smoke.

the closest thing I can see to dating the production of the Royales, is looking at the Partagas Royales, that is the same size, and can be seen in the 1952 catalogue, but not earlier ones.  It's obviously not a dead cert, but it would seem to suggest that the creation and naming of that vitola came in 40's to 50's.

[gojira]

15 minutes ago, 99call said:

the closest thing I can see to dating the production of the Royales, is looking at the Partagas Royales, that is the same size, and can be seen in the 1952 catalogue, but not earlier ones.  It's obviously not a dead cert, but it would seem to suggest that the creation and naming of that vitola came in 40's to 50's.

Thank you. That's very helpful information. ?

[NSXCIGAR]

Pre-Revolution CCs are a specialty unto themselves. There were hundreds of marcas, very little catalogued, many thousands of models and vitolas. There are only a handful of experts on the subject in the world. 

One might be able to find info on a particular marcas or cigar but it will be limited. No one ever thought to catalogue anything back then. It would be like cataloguing modern wines without computers. Why and how?

Resources like the Gotham Museum are really just collections. Some very limited info on particular cigars might be available but that's about it. 

Outside of some of the general indicators like warranty seal age it's usually very difficult to obtain info on any particular cigar.

[teamrandr]

Show us the box!

[Sir Diggamus]

       *If you want access to the actual pre-Embargo cigars of the period then go to www.gothamcigarmuseum.com and you will find both pre-Embargo and Clear Havana cigars that can be bought at much more reasonable prices than are offered on some cigar sales sites. Of course, this was some years ago and to the best of my knowledge they should still be accessible. Good luck with that! 

The Gotham site has been shut down for a few years and it looked like the last time Nick was active on social media with the “Gotham” username was also several years ago.


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[Habana Mike]

7 hours ago, benfica_77 said:

looks like the website is private. How do you gain access? 

Looks like they were going to do a redesign a few years back, Hibernating now I imagine.

Wayback machine's last crawl https://web.archive.org/web/20170701083714/http://gothamcigarmuseum.com/clear-havana-1930-1956.html

Last twitter post was 2015

[NSXCIGAR]

On 6/30/2020 at 6:40 PM, Sir Diggamus said:

The Gotham site has been shut down for a few years

That's a shame. He had one of the better collections online. Some very cool stuff.

The more time that goes by the more I realize how little concentrated info there is on Pre-Rev Havana cigars. The US didn't care--90% of all CCs smoked were clear Havanas. The cultural and historical richness of Havanas seems not to have been preserved outside of a few individuals who were highly involved in Havana importing in Europe prior to 1960. 

It's a shame how much of this rich history was lost due to the Revolution.