the world's dumbest human. bar none. yes, big call, but we have a winner

[Ken Gargett]

now, read a headline like that and you'd be forgiven for thinking we must be talking a politician. you'd be wrong.

a sportsman? yes, come on down Quentin Dunbar. truly, dumber than soup. 

now, for those not familiar, QD was picked up by the skins (yes, you knew they had to get a mention) as an undrafted wide receiver several years ago. they got the bright idea to turn him into a cornerback. it worked, surprisingly. he turned into one of the most promising CBs in the comp, though was injured a bit too much. 

rather than express any gratitude to the skins, for a career when no other team thought he would make it, when the new coach was appointed, he demanded big money (he was about to earn more than $3 mill in this last year of his contract - $3.275 mill as base salary plus incentives). not enough he screamed. more, give me more. the new coach has made it absolutely clear. people of character on and off the field only (thankfully, the skins might just have turned the corner). he offered QD an increase if he proved himself worthy this year (while still get three plus). 

no, now, demanded QD.

bugger off says RR, the new coach. so, we swapped him for just a fifth to seattle. most skins fans were bummed it was not for a lot more. now, a fifth is looking like the bargain of the century. 

young QD gave an interview thursday to the seattle times. he said, “You just want to feel wanted at the end of the day,” he said. “(The Seahawks) made it their job to trade for me and that’s good enough for me, and I just hope to repay them the way I carry myself as a person and as a player.” 

well, he certainly is wanted. on four counts of armed robbery with a semi-automatic. he and his equally stupid friend from the giants, baker?, decided to rob a party. apparently they had lost about $70K gambling a week earlier and decided the best way to get it back was a robbery. at a party where they were known. the take? $12K plus a few watches worth about $20K each. so if they had got away with it (highly unlikely), he woold have cleared around $25K in total. he earns more than 200 grand every time he steps on the field. tree stumps could have told him this was not a wise move. 

he gave the interview by zoom a few hours after the robbery but is still on the loose. 

he did conclude the interview by stating that "the sky is the limit". perhaps not any more. 

and the skins are looking like geniuses. who would have ever thought it? 

 

 

 

[Smalls]

I believe I read that Baker was a first round pick a year or two ago.   I don't think there is a finer example of a couple people destroying an amazing opportunity.  

[Ken Gargett]

9 minutes ago, Smalls said:

I believe I read that Baker was a first round pick a year or two ago.   I don't think there is a finer example of a couple people destroying an amazing opportunity.  

baker was first round last year. the giants gave up three picks to trade up for him. from seattle, ironically. they described him as their lockdown cornerback. perhaps they should have said locked up cornerback. 

[stunod]

As a Giants fan, I want to puke.  It’s been written that the Giants were told Baker was a problem. But all that being said, it is crazy. The guy signed a 4 year 10.5 million dollar rookie contract and he’s robbing people at gunpoint. There has to be more to this story. 

[Chibearsv]

What good is having a high paying job if you can't maintain your street cred?  You're not seeing the priorities correctly.

[SansSin]

the part of the story that had me rolling was their getaway ? "Another witness said those involved in the robbery all left in three different vehicles, a Mercedes Benz, a Lamborghini and a BMW -- which were prepositioned for immediate departure from the scene of the crime."

[Ken Gargett]

2 hours ago, davidv said:

the part of the story that had me rolling was their getaway ? "Another witness said those involved in the robbery all left in three different vehicles, a Mercedes Benz, a Lamborghini and a BMW -- which were prepositioned for immediate departure from the scene of the crime."

read that. i must say i really doubted it. these dimwits could not be clever enough to plan that far ahead. 

[Wookie]

Maybe they need to learn to play cards in the Thursday night FOH game? Cheaper that way. 

[CaskStrength]

They are going to be in for a rude awakening when they get in gambling debt in prison.

[Doctortrent]

And this is why I stopped watching football

[alloy]

Thank you Ron Rivera!!!

[Ken Gargett]

ah, it did not take long. not to be outdone, our brand new WR has decided to follow the script and joined those arrested. cody latimer, just picked up from the broncos, has a bundle of his own charges. 

[Buck14]

Clearly fine candidates for covid-19 experimental drug trials.

[SansSin]

starting to look like these football players are going crazy without an outlet for their steroids 

[Rabbi]

On 5/15/2020 at 1:56 AM, Smalls said:

  I don't think there is a finer example of a couple people destroying an amazing opportunity.  

Len Bias.

[Doctortrent]

Buffalo Bills DT Ed Oliver arrested in Houston on DWI, weapons charges

What a weekend for the NFL

 

 

[Yellot00tr]

It’s not a good look for the NFL. NBA does a really good job surrounding the newer guys with the right people. NBA guys also seem like they’re much more into building their brands and becoming moguls. Look at guys like Kobe, Lebron, Durant-they were/are following Magic, Jordan, etc. Sets a better example for the younger generation. NFL seems to not get that same kind of thing going around. It’s also a much bigger league. You have around 1500 NFL guys compared to 500 in the NBA so it’s more magnified too. 

 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/17/case-against-ny-giants-deandre-baker-might-be-unraveling/

[Sorrowful]

I don't understand why teams don't include more structure and mentorship to the new groups as they enter.  Its this type of terrible and idiotic behavior that has derailed so many careers and is preventable.  

[Ken Gargett]

24 minutes ago, Sorrowful said:

I don't understand why teams don't include more structure and mentorship to the new groups as they enter.  Its this type of terrible and idiotic behavior that has derailed so many careers and is preventable.  

it would certainly make sense. i agree it is preventable but only to an extent.

some teams and some sports seem far better at it than others. but if you look at the NFL, dunbar is 27 years of age. should you really have to monitor someone who is 27? even the younger guys. they have families and agents who should surely play a role (okay, in some cases families are out and perhaps more attention should be paid there). but there are what, 53 on each squad? 90 until the cuts come in. so at the moment, that is not far short of 3,000 players, most of whom are young and most have perhaps a lesser degree of effective education than we might wish (not that that is always a cure). even after cuts, that is still 1,700. 

the bills player this morning - he was picked in the top ten of the latest draft, so there is a contract that will get him $20 mill in his first 4-5 years and then who knows what. and he has not got the brains not to get pissed, get in a car with a gun. and that came after we saw the dunbar/baker incident and then the cody latimer incident. they were not enough to suggest he might be wise to tone it down for a bit so i suspect that all the mentoring in the world won't save some. 

as someone said, you can't cure stupid. 

[Yellot00tr]

I think after this most recent debacle, NFL teams will provide much more support for these knuckleheads. It’s a huge investment on their parts. Not about the money only, but the loss of potential talent. These first round picks are expected starters and huge pieces of their roster. The money can be recouped based on these guys breaking morality clauses in their contracts, but the wasted draft picks are huge disasters. Teams are going to really be looking at these guys even more carefully. IQ testing might also become more important. A braindead idiot who can catch a ball is not so good. Risk reward isn’t worth it. 

[mrmessy]

it would certainly make sense. i agree it is preventable but only to an extent.
some teams and some sports seem far better at it than others. but if you look at the NFL, dunbar is 27 years of age. should you really have to monitor someone who is 27? even the younger guys. they have families and agents who should surely play a role (okay, in some cases families are out and perhaps more attention should be paid there). but there are what, 53 on each squad? 90 until the cuts come in. so at the moment, that is not far short of 3,000 players, most of whom are young and most have perhaps a lesser degree of effective education than we might wish (not that that is always a cure). even after cuts, that is still 1,700. 
the bills player this morning - he was picked in the top ten of the latest draft, so there is a contract that will get him $20 mill in his first 4-5 years and then who knows what. and he has not got the brains not to get pissed, get in a car with a gun. and that came after we saw the dunbar/baker incident and then the cody latimer incident. they were not enough to suggest he might be wise to tone it down for a bit so i suspect that all the mentoring in the world won't save some. 
as someone said, you can't cure stupid. 

If you look at the background of a lot of the players, they haven't exactly been given the life lessons to make the best decisions.

And if you do get them all financial advisors, lawyers and PR people, in the end their life choices are their own. A lifetime of not having money and seeing people without money doesn't help to make the best choices and that doesn't change at the signing of a contact.

This isn't everyone, and it may be the edge cases, but if you have to ask why, this is an explanation.

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[NSXCIGAR]

Sorry, but Aaron Hernandez's stupidity can't be topped. He's at the summit of bonehead mountain.

[Smalls]

On 5/18/2020 at 4:54 AM, Yellot00tr said:

I think after this most recent debacle, NFL teams will provide much more support for these knuckleheads. It’s a huge investment on their parts. Not about the money only, but the loss of potential talent. These first round picks are expected starters and huge pieces of their roster. The money can be recouped based on these guys breaking morality clauses in their contracts, but the wasted draft picks are huge disasters. Teams are going to really be looking at these guys even more carefully. IQ testing might also become more important. A braindead idiot who can catch a ball is not so good. Risk reward isn’t worth it. 

The NFL already has programs aimed at assisting players with whatever resources they need on and off the field. Two that I know of are the Rookie Transition Program and NFL Player Engagement.  It is a two way street.  The players have to actually engage and be an advocate for their own success for it to work.    The programs are a great scaffolding to support, but in the end a good bit of self awareness is necessary.  

I should say that I have no idea how effective the programs actually are, or how many players actively use the resources provided. 

[Ken Gargett]

20 minutes ago, Smalls said:

The NFL already has programs aimed at assisting players with whatever resources they need on and off the field. Two that I know of are the Rookie Transition Program and NFL Player Engagement.  It is a two way street.  The players have to actually engage and be an advocate for their own success for it to work.    The programs are a great scaffolding to support, but in the end a good bit of self awareness is necessary.  

I should say that I have no idea how effective the programs actually are, or how many players actively use the resources provided. 

it is a good point. the old lead a horse to water argument. 

the problem here and in general is that so often people really do not think that they need help of any kind (for dunbar and baker, perhaps a better getaway driver?). but more seriously, people dismiss these things as not for them. i can see teams making these things compulsory for rookies, at least. 

i have no idea if it is true but i have heard a report that cody latimer, the skins new WR who was caught waving a gun about, was actually outside the place of someone who allegedly molested his four year old son. no idea if this is true but hard to be too critical if it is.

that said, as someone said on a skins forum, the bloke was still waving a firearm about. it won't go well for a bloke who was no sure thing to make the roster in any case. 

[Smalls]

1 hour ago, Ken Gargett said:

it is a good point. the old lead a horse to water argument. 

the problem here and in general is that so often people really do not think that they need help of any kind (for dunbar and baker, perhaps a better getaway driver?). but more seriously, people dismiss these things as not for them. i can see teams making these things compulsory for rookies, at least. 

i have no idea if it is true but i have heard a report that cody latimer, the skins new WR who was caught waving a gun about, was actually outside the place of someone who allegedly molested his four year old son. no idea if this is true but hard to be too critical if it is.

that said, as someone said on a skins forum, the bloke was still waving a firearm about. it won't go well for a bloke who was no sure thing to make the roster in any case. 

I agree completely that many of the players dismiss the resources provided. I remember seeing a promo clip the NFL shot for one of the programs that was mandatory.   The particular session was on resources for financial security.   The video was a good example of some things they provide, however, it was also a good example of many players not seeming very interested.  You could see it all over some of their faces.  

Also, one of the reasons I am familiar with the player engagement program is because of Jovan Belcher.  He was a Chief's linebacker that murdered his girlfriend and then killed himself in the stadium parking lot.  I remember an article written after that incident that mentioned some of the problems with player engagement.   From my understanding, each team has directors of player engagement that are available to the players.  The article stated that many of the players see these directors as adversaries that are only there to get dirt on them to report back to the GM.  There is a lack of trust that prevents them seeking any assistance regardless of how badly they may need it. 

So there is most definitely a gap between the resources and the players those resources are meant to help.  I'm also sure that finding a meaningful way to bridge that gap would be pretty tough.