Ontario to consult on cannabis consumption lounges

[BrightonCorgi]

1 hour ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

I truly hope they allow "combustion" of cannabis at indoor facilities.

this will be a big step forward in the fight to allow smoking indoors.

but I'm not holding my breath.

I expect vaping and edibles/drinkables, etc only.

Well, isn't marijuana smoke "medicine" that can cure or alleviate all that's wrong, lol?  Once the pot smoking novelty cools, it'll be banned from smoking inside too is my prediction.

[TBird55]

7 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Can you smoke cigars in pot lounges?  Been a super long time since I went to a coffeeshop, but you could smoke cigarettes while there.  Weed and a cigar is like a one stop destination...  Add a good wine list and a few local beers...  What else do you need?

Been quite a few years for me also, but when I did(Amsterdam), smoking cigars was frowned upon. Actually prohibited.

[Hammer Smokin']

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

What happened to "second hand smoke" ?

 

Just like that.....a non issue in the cannabis lounge world. 

 

nothing boss?

that is why I'd be extremely surprised if they allowed combustion of cannabis...because of just that, second hand smoke.

BUT If they did allow it, it would open the door to cigar lounge exemptions.

[Hammer Smokin']

52 minutes ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Well, isn't marijuana smoke "medicine" that can cure or alleviate all that's wrong, lol?  Once the pot smoking novelty cools, it'll be banned from smoking inside too is my prediction.

it can be...

or it can simply be to get high.

but people have been smoking pot since the 60's....maybe sometime in the next 60 years the novelty cools...but unlikely.

Just to clarify, it is already banned from smoking indoors...All smoking is banned indoors. They are looking to remove that ban...but likely not for smoking. Vaping indoors is considered different than combusting indoors (for whatever that is worth).

In Canada it would be a huge step forward to allowing smoking of anything indoors.

If it is allowed, no pot lounge will allow smoking of cigars. I get that. I'm not sure, but would smoking pot in a cigar lounge be allowed? (I guess in a place that pot is legal). I doubt it.

But IF (and this is a big IF) they legalize smoking pot indoors, it'll open a door for a cigar lounge to get approval to also allow smoking indoors. (if there is a market for that)

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

nothing boss?

that is why I'd be extremely surprised if they allowed combustion of cannabis...because of just that, second hand smoke.

BUT If they did allow it, it would open the door to cigar lounge exemptions.

That is where the issue of hypocrisy comes in. 

It amuses me the fact that they are even considering it after demonising smoking for decades.

I agree with you however. if they allow it, the door opens. 

[Hammer Smokin']

I agree with your amusement.

But I think there is a mistake in the communication.

From all my reading (and I do a lot of it), I haven't seen any formal suggestion (or consideration) that they will allow smoking of pot indoors. (or even on a patio).

What places are looking for are exemptions to allow consumption of cannabis through food and drink (and possibly the allowance of vaping of cannabis - which rightly or wrongly is considered "better" than smoking/combusting cannabis).

[Fuzz]

If I were a cop, I'd park my cruiser not too far away from these cannabis lounges, and pick up every one for driving under the influence. Major revenue raiser!!

 

[zuhaib]

Less to do with reason and logic and more to do with voting block and money.  Some politicians see cannabis as a new untapped voting/money block while something like cigar smokers a fading one.  Here in SF you see politicians bend over backwards for the industry.  You see on one hand supervisors angry that Muni (our local public transportation) employing armed guards (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Supervisor-wants-to-ban-Muni-s-armed-guards-6212248.php), but, ok that the local dispensary down the street has an armed guard walking up and down the street.  

[Phillys]

Think cigar smokers have it bad? People went to jail for cannabis and have criminal records, that's persecution. Now you may argue that it was a criminal offense, I agree, but would you stop smoking cigars tomorrow if it was outlawed? I sure wouldn't.  

On the cigar lounge ban, it's a terrible situation, no doubt about it. But remember that in some places, even if legal, you can't smoke it outdoors and a lot of places you can't even smoke it in your own apartment. I think cigar smoker should at least have some solidarity with cannabis smokers, even if only in principle.

Question, if smoking cigars is banned indoors, yet they start opening cannabis smoking lounges, would you be in favor of banning them?  

 

[zuhaib]

@Phillys you raise a good point. Personally I dont have an issue with cannabis smoking lounges, its better its in a place controlled with good ventilation system vs in a small cramp apartment where the smell lingers and bothers all the residents. I just notice the hypocrisy with local politicians on the issue when it comes to different kind of smoking.  Maybe I am just turning in to a grumpy old man.

[Mikeltee]

I bet all those pro pot people change their mind in a few years when everywhere you go, including your own house, smells like a skunk. Personally I love the smell, but I assume most adults will be highly upset. If one sticks a plant of some Afgan decent in their backyard, you will smell it I half mile away.

[LLC]

1 hour ago, Phillys said:

 

Question, if smoking cigars is banned indoors, yet they start opening cannabis smoking lounges, would you be in favor of banning them?  

 

Cigar smoking is banned in Ontario but I would not be in favor of a ban on cannabis smoking lounges if they do at some point allow it because that would be the best chance of some common sense prevailing regarding cigar lounges. 

[Mikeltee]

1 hour ago, Fuzz said:

If I were a cop, I'd park my cruiser not too far away from these cannabis lounges, and pick up every one for driving under the influence. Major revenue raiser!!

 

The reason why the federal gov in many countries will not legalize it is because there is no potalizer. Once a legal limit is defined and immediately testable for a reasonable amount of money, these countries will then consider legalization. As of now, there is no DUI of weed in places it's legal. Illegal places and take you in for a drug test and if you are dirty, even from 29 days prior, you get a DUI.

[havanaclub]

Well, I look at it differently, but i'm a cannabis smoker as well as cigar smoker.
this will show if there is actually a market for cigar lounges (by that I mean someone willing to take a business chance).
"IF" they legalize cannabis smoking indoors (at lounges, etc), they'll extend that to cigars.
However, is there a business person willing to try their luck opening up a cigar lounge?
Time will tell.
But this is a good thing. Creating allowances for smoking indoors will only benefit the cigar smoking community (as quiet as that group may be).

Not sure your comment about “they’ll extend that to cigars” has any ounce of truth to it. Actually had to read it over 5 times and assume you are joking.
Not a chance in hell will they extend it to cigars. Especially after they basically prohibit smoking outdoors in some areas.


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[PigFish]

Somehow I cannot be pissed over a case of freedom regained! It is because of someone else thinking that what you are doing is wrong that starts the whole mess.

I do believe that drugs are bad for society. However I believe more strongly in individual choice.

-the Pig

[Fuzz]

10 hours ago, Mikeltee said:

The reason why the federal gov in many countries will not legalize it is because there is no potalizer. Once a legal limit is defined and immediately testable for a reasonable amount of money, these countries will then consider legalization. As of now, there is no DUI of weed in places it's legal. Illegal places and take you in for a drug test and if you are dirty, even from 29 days prior, you get a DUI.

What are the new laws and penalties for driving under the influence of drugs?

Bill C-46, passed in June 2018, established new federal laws and penalties around driving under the influence of cannabis and other drugs. Three new offences have been created in the Criminal Code of Canada:

• Driving with 2 nanograms (ng) but less than 5 ng of THC per millilitre (ml) of blood.
• Driving with 5 ng or more of THC per ml of blood.
• Driving with a combination of 50 milligrams (mg) of alcohol (or more) plus 2.5 ng or more of THC per 1 ml of blood.

Along with THC, these offences apply for any detectable levels of other impairing drugs, including cocaine, methamphetamine, LSD, ketamine and others.

Federal Penalties for Drug-Impaired Driving

Source: Impaired Driving Laws (Department of Justice, Government of Canada)

[BrightonCorgi]

13 hours ago, Fuzz said:

If I were a cop, I'd park my cruiser not too far away from these cannabis lounges, and pick up every one for driving under the influence. Major revenue raiser!!

That's what they do in Arizona with the bars & restaurants.  One drink is over the limit in AZ.

[Cigar Surgeon]

19 hours ago, El Presidente said:

What happened to "second hand smoke" ?

 

Just like that.....a non issue in the cannabis lounge world. 

 

I mean nobody seems to give a crap at any concert over say the past ... 60 years. Even though smoking is absolutely prohibited. 

[Mikeltee]

6 hours ago, Fuzz said:

What are the new laws and penalties for driving under the influence of drugs?

Bill C-46, passed in June 2018, established new federal laws and penalties around driving under the influence of cannabis and other drugs. Three new offences have been created in the Criminal Code of Canada:

• Driving with 2 nanograms (ng) but less than 5 ng of THC per millilitre (ml) of blood.
• Driving with 5 ng or more of THC per ml of blood.
• Driving with a combination of 50 milligrams (mg) of alcohol (or more) plus 2.5 ng or more of THC per 1 ml of blood.

Along with THC, these offences apply for any detectable levels of other impairing drugs, including cocaine, methamphetamine, LSD, ketamine and others.

Federal Penalties for Drug-Impaired Driving

Source: Impaired Driving Laws (Department of Justice, Government of Canada)

I assume suspected criminals are taken to the hospital and subject to a blood draw? I highly doubt that's happening.

[Fugu]

4 hours ago, Mikeltee said:

I assume suspected criminals are taken to the hospital and subject to a blood draw? I highly doubt that's happening.

Huh? Why not? Done with alc-delinquents everday/night.

[Hammer Smokin']

20 hours ago, havanaclub said:

Not sure your comment about “they’ll extend that to cigars” has any ounce of truth to it. Actually had to read it over 5 times and assume you are joking.
Not a chance in hell will they extend it to cigars. Especially after they basically prohibit smoking outdoors in some areas.


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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

In this day of equality of rights, diversity, and inclusion, if they grant the right to smoke cannabis indoors, there is a greater chance they will also grant right to smoke cigars indoors.

But we are all welcome to our own thoughts.

Mine is all about opening the door (even just a bit) to indoor smoking of Cannabis. If that opens, who continues to push it open will be determined on wants and needs (I still am not convinced an indoor cigar lounge would see enough traffic to keep it in business, but without someone trying, we won't know).

[MooseAMuffin]

3 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

In this day of equality of rights, diversity, and inclusion, if they grant the right to smoke cannabis indoors, there is a greater chance they will also grant right to smoke cigars indoors.

I think that "this day of equality of rights, diversity, and inclusion" you speak of only pertains to the politician's and mainstream media's social agenda, which the push to decriminalize and popularize marijuana is a big part of.

Tobacco of any kind is definitely not part of their social agenda. Because of this, I'm not sure I see lounges allowing you to smoke marijuana indoors starting a revolution for cigar lounges. I do hope I am wrong, though. 

 

[helix]

Not at all realistic to expect smoking of anything indoors in Ontario.

[Philc2001]

Legalization of smoking anything in public, much less enclosed public settings, is a pipe dream, it will never happen. 

[CanuckSARTech]

Weird to think that just a few years ago, I was arresting and throwing people in jail who were pulling this shit.  Now, it's the government directly who's doing it and profiting.

I still can't partake, due to my particular job (28-day ban, and I'm always under 24-hr recall, as TASO and Air Marshal).  Kinda duh, obviously.  But still a crazy overall situation, on how this is looked at now, compared to cigars and such.

So frustrating.

Casa Keith is ALWAYS open for herfing business though!!!!