Impact of the new Coronavirus where you are?

[SmokyFontaine]

I fully understand people's vigilance in creating public health policy and best practices to deal with a new disease that is spreading worldwide and building a sizable fatality group. The fact that so little information from China could be trusted, and frankly, we're not going to get much out of North Korea or Iran, perhaps the BEST thing that could happen is for more open countries to build up cases. Then we can do things like better track the spread, the death rate, and work to establish trends, treatments, and a definitive symptom list. I'm still fairly confident I had it. Still feeling the aftermath in my lungs. A friend a couple hours away has the same symptoms, as do a co-worker who just spent 10 days in Japan. I'm feeling worlds better than I did a few days ago, but I can only explain it as a type of cold/flu combo I haven't experienced before. Hard to say for sure, I can only speculate, and rightfully so, most health clinics don't even care to test unless you've traveled from a highly infected region within the last two weeks. 

I cannot understand anyone saying this is no big deal and we shouldn't be treating it as a potential epidemic. It's a new, highly infectious disease. I doubt the powerful hand sanitizer and toilet paper lobbies are pushing for hysteria on this as a dubious ploy to make money and rule the world. It is a big deal. It is infecting a lot of people, and the speed at which it is popping up around the globe should be concerning. Using an abundance of caution and alerting the public of the risks is inconvenient at worst. Dismissing the virus as some fad disease that's no big deal could have substantial ramifications. 

[Fuzz]

3 hours ago, SmokyFontaine said:

I fully understand people's vigilance in creating public health policy and best practices to deal with a new disease that is spreading worldwide and building a sizable fatality group. The fact that so little information from China could be trusted, and frankly, we're not going to get much out of North Korea or Iran, perhaps the BEST thing that could happen is for more open countries to build up cases. Then we can do things like better track the spread, the death rate, and work to establish trends, treatments, and a definitive symptom list. I'm still fairly confident I had it. Still feeling the aftermath in my lungs. A friend a couple hours away has the same symptoms, as do a co-worker who just spent 10 days in Japan. I'm feeling worlds better than I did a few days ago, but I can only explain it as a type of cold/flu combo I haven't experienced before. Hard to say for sure, I can only speculate, and rightfully so, most health clinics don't even care to test unless you've traveled from a highly infected region within the last two weeks. 

I cannot understand anyone saying this is no big deal and we shouldn't be treating it as a potential epidemic. It's a new, highly infectious disease. I doubt the powerful hand sanitizer and toilet paper lobbies are pushing for hysteria on this as a dubious ploy to make money and rule the world. It is a big deal. It is infecting a lot of people, and the speed at which it is popping up around the globe should be concerning. Using an abundance of caution and alerting the public of the risks is inconvenient at worst. Dismissing the virus as some fad disease that's no big deal could have substantial ramifications. 

You had it and didn't tell any Mods?!

We should have quarantined you from posting for 14 days, or at the very least, isolated you to one sub-forum!!

[LordAnubis]

I work in an office of 5 people... on a good day three of us show up. Its close to an area with a large Chinese community. Trams have been less crowded recently.

Most of us have been working from home more the last few weeks. 

The biggest impact for me is the ASX tanking, super dropping a fair bit etc. But never fear, tobacco taxes will be increased to steer the government back into surplus and pay for bailouts.

I smoked a chinese cigar the other day... one of those "cuban cross cultural program" jobs... anyone know if corona virus can survive on tobacco leaves for a few months? do they die when ignited in a cigar?... ill quarantine myself for a few weeks to be safe... can anyone spare a few squares of toilet paper?

[Deeg]

3 hours ago, SmokyFontaine said:

I fully understand people's vigilance in creating public health policy and best practices to deal with a new disease that is spreading worldwide and building a sizable fatality group. The fact that so little information from China could be trusted, and frankly, we're not going to get much out of North Korea or Iran, perhaps the BEST thing that could happen is for more open countries to build up cases. Then we can do things like better track the spread, the death rate, and work to establish trends, treatments, and a definitive symptom list. I'm still fairly confident I had it. Still feeling the aftermath in my lungs. A friend a couple hours away has the same symptoms, as do a co-worker who just spent 10 days in Japan. I'm feeling worlds better than I did a few days ago, but I can only explain it as a type of cold/flu combo I haven't experienced before. Hard to say for sure, I can only speculate, and rightfully so, most health clinics don't even care to test unless you've traveled from a highly infected region within the last two weeks. 

I cannot understand anyone saying this is no big deal and we shouldn't be treating it as a potential epidemic. It's a new, highly infectious disease. I doubt the powerful hand sanitizer and toilet paper lobbies are pushing for hysteria on this as a dubious ploy to make money and rule the world. It is a big deal. It is infecting a lot of people, and the speed at which it is popping up around the globe should be concerning. Using an abundance of caution and alerting the public of the risks is inconvenient at worst. Dismissing the virus as some fad disease that's no big deal could have substantial ramifications. 

Excellent post, and you touch on a very important point.  Testing is woefully inadequate almost everywhere for a number of reasons - people not wanting to be quarantined, symptoms being mild, clinics not having the means.  In fact we’re now seeing testing being artificially curtailed in certain powerful countries as a means to depress the numbers of people reported as infected.  Incredibly short-sighted but that’s politics for you.

The one country that’s really been out front on testing is South Korea.  That’s gotten them pariah status because the rest of the world now knows they have a ton of Coronavirus-positive cases, but it’s vital to their efforts to contain and manage the disease.  And it provides an object lesson for what the reality probably is in most other countries with less testing - a far higher infection rate with a significantly lower mortality rate.

[lovethehaze]

stay safe 

 

[Meklown]

7 hours ago, SmokyFontaine said:

The fact that so little information from China could be trusted, and frankly, we're not going to get much out of North Korea or Iran, perhaps the BEST thing that could happen is for more open countries to build up cases

While I 100% agree that figures out of China cannot be trusted, it is also true that Italy has still not tracked down their "patient zero". I've read reports (I did no fact checking so do not quote me on this) that Japan has suppressed figures as well. I'm willing to bet my last dime that authorities are having difficulties doing the actual tracking, way before even politics (democratic/socialist/communist) come into play. I think there are simply too many cases where the patient have no/mild symptoms and hence do not undergo any testing. 

I don't think much finger pointing is helpful at this moment... I respectfully disagree that there should be a build-up of cases anywhere. That would simply more dead human beings and that is not a nice thought. 

[SmokyFontaine]

22 minutes ago, Meklown said:

While I 100% agree that figures out of China cannot be trusted, it is also true that Italy has still not tracked down their "patient zero". I've read reports (I did no fact checking so do not quote me on this) that Japan has suppressed figures as well. I'm willing to bet my last dime that authorities are having difficulties doing the actual tracking, way before even politics (democratic/socialist/communist) come into play. I think there are simply too many cases where the patient have no/mild symptoms and hence do not undergo any testing. 

I don't think much finger pointing is helpful at this moment... I respectfully disagree that there should be a build-up of cases anywhere. That would simply more dead human beings and that is not a nice thought. 

Definitely didn't mean it as finger pointing, just commentary that the birthplace of the virus is in a known region where government information on...well...everything, is globally understood to be unreliable. Having more trustworthy information as early as possible is always desirable. 

I'm just saying that the more information we get on this from more reliable sources by consensus, helps the entire population. Not wishing for illness, just that as it happens among different populations, we continue to refine and understand the virus, the risks, and hopefully a treatment plan, if necessary.

[Habana Mike]

Seems the US is not prepared to perform wide scale testing so fairly sure there will be underreporting there as well....

[Deeg]

2 minutes ago, Habana Mike said:

Seems the US is not prepared to perform wide scale testing so fairly sure there will be underreporting there as well....

Unprepared yes, but also restricting access to existing capacity in order to depress official statistics.

[BellevilleMXZ]

I get where folks say its a lot of media hype. That's all great , and I don't believe a lot of crap online I read...…. But...…. what ISN'T hype, is WHO, and Gov. around the world( and some who I am sure are not telling the whole story/downplaying based on past history)are treating this not like any "flu" that we are used to seeing. This is largely effecting world economy/markets, and some of the pics/videos, are certainly not of a flu outbreak, certainly not any of I have seen. I would love to believe its blown out of proportion, but I'm beginning to wonder. Its easy to ignore the media fluff, but not the large scale efforts that are not related.I sure hope I'm wrong

[Deeg]

You're not.

[TheCigarslayer]

On 3/4/2020 at 10:03 AM, Yellot00tr said:

Supply chain is definitely impacted.  Half filled container ships don't leave.  

I've also noticed a lot of my shipments have halted dead in their tracks...even amazon was weirdly just saying "Yea we are refunding your purchases". I've ordered TONS from them and never had stuff just go "missing" on multiple shipments then just get refunded like that. 

[CaptainQuintero]

  How's everyone's totally unrelated projects going?

  I've almost finished the sails and decking, just need to start collecting two of whatever nearest animals I can find. So far I've two sparrows, a beetle and potentially a very suspicious Labrador

[alloy]

1 hour ago, Yellot00tr said:

Business is booming on the retail side. We’re smashing all kinds of sales numbers. Best daily sales, best weekly sales, smashed monthly sales records-even on a 29 day month. Panic buying across the board. Coronavirus is apparently very good for business.

Wish you were the dow jones.....

[Islandboy]

2 hours ago, Yellot00tr said:

Business is booming on the retail side. We’re smashing all kinds of sales numbers. Best daily sales, best weekly sales, smashed monthly sales records-even on a 29 day month. Panic buying across the board. Coronavirus is apparently very good for business.

....unless you’re in the cruise ship business.

[Cigar Surgeon]

48 minutes ago, Islandboy said:

....unless you’re in the cruise ship business.

Oil & Gas, movie theaters, airlines, travel agents, and tourism.

The only saving grace to oil & gas is that this is typically when spring breakup occurs. 

[Subcomandante]

Ran out of everyday regular water and down to the last couple rolls of TP. Went to cost co on Wednesday and they were out of both. Had to go when they opened and this line was around 2 sides of the building. That’s what I get for waiting for the last minute. They had a 2 purchase limit on waters and paper towel toilet paper combos. I get the water thing if you’re worried about a temp shortage but paper towels and toilet paper? In times of zombie apocalypse people are really gonna be worried about paper towels? 

[helix]

That's time out of your life you can't get back. ?

[Cairo]

On 3/5/2020 at 10:31 PM, Habana Mike said:

Seems the US is not prepared to perform wide scale testing so fairly sure there will be underreporting there as well....

Little tidbit I heard tonight on 20/20--New York State alone has 12,000 people in voluntary quarantine waiting to be tested--just one state!

[TheCigarslayer]

2 hours ago, Yellot00tr said:

Hotel side as well. We’re down 18% ytd already. It’s not looking pretty. Bank side we’re not seeing anything yet. Our concern is if this continues, our loan portfolio may begin to see more defaults. Mercifully, majority of our portfolio is SBA backed.

 

add-wall st is under diff consensus from what we hear. House of morgan divided. JP giving guidance that things are going to hell and they’re sending everyone to work from home. MS thinks we’re close to seeing the tail end of this. This is just what we’ve heard from people who we work with. GS extremely concerned as well. Most major shops have grounded non essential travel. All travel to hot zones are done.

I'm known amongst my friends to be the downer but I'm with JPM on this, I think we got a wicked ride in front of us. Turbulence for at least 6 months. My guess we are picking up the pieces in 2021/22. 

From my viewpoint we felt shakes in Nov/Dec and this COVID was the tipping point..hell maybe some were waiting for it. I'm just hoping for a slow/flat summer and a gradual uptick. 

We shall see true guidance once we actually start testing everyone and/or get better knowledge about a vaccine. No vaccine and next winter could be a shit show. 

[Duxnutz]

I’m in Vegas. For a Friday night it was pretty quiet, with lots of places empty. Our flight here was surprisingly 3/4 full. 

It’s gonna be an interesting couple of weeks, until we find out which way this will go. 

 

[hoyopr]

6 hours ago, TheCigarslayer said:

I'm known amongst my friends to be the downer but I'm with JPM on this, I think we got a wicked ride in front of us. Turbulence for at least 6 months. My guess we are picking up the pieces in 2021/22. 

From my viewpoint we felt shakes in Nov/Dec and this COVID was the tipping point..hell maybe some were waiting for it. I'm just hoping for a slow/flat summer and a gradual uptick. 

We shall see true guidance once we actually start testing everyone and/or get better knowledge about a vaccine. No vaccine and next winter could be a shit show. 

Thus the run on toilet paper sales in our area!

LOL

[Miner]

Just did the weekly shopping...

They have run out of baked beans, the shelves are empty..

Two rows down they have run out of toilet paper.

Not surprising considering they have just sold out of baked beans !!!!

Nothing to do with Covid, its the beans that make you sh1T !!!

Got to love Covid19

Cheers

[Cairo]

Your "baked beans" post is reminding me I still have my Y2K supply of different kinds of beans.

Never needed to eat them, never wanted to eat them.   I was about to toss them all a few weeks ago, since they have to be iffy at this point.

Please let this be over so I can throw out my Y2K stuff!   ?

[Hollywood Ninja]

Just told yesterday that we are switching our lectures and classes to remote only at the college I teach at. Trial run for two weeks, but it’s assumed it may last until the end of the semester.

Mostly due to demands from the parents.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk