2015 Limited Edicion performance Review.

[El Presidente]

2015 saw the release of the U. Upmann Magnum 56 (Double Robusto) and the Ramon Allones Club Allones (Grand Corona) as their edicion limitada selections. 

Coming up to 5 years on we are seeing quite a few coming on to the secondary markets. 

How are they smoking? 

How are they evolving?

Your overall thoughts as to where they sit right now and crystal balling their future potential (if any) 

 

 

 

 

[GavLew79]

The Ramon Allones are ok. I've had a couple of stellar ones and a couple of mediocre ones. Sorry, no conclusions to be drawn from that... I'll move on swiftly! ??

[MrGlass]

I smoked a Magnum 56 back in November for a review weekend and it was one of the best cigars I had of 2019.  I'm not dissapointed with how I invested my tax return that year.

[mbflash80]

The RA are a solid cigar...not sure whether they will be anything greater than what they are now...have had minor wrapper issues (see pic) 

The Mag 56 is a different story...a truly great cigar in my mind..Ive smoked through a bunch of them and would (and have) gladly paid secondary prices to secure more...but sadly I don't have many left...it still has legs for a long while...

 

[Eric05]

Smoked this on Sunday. An absolute gem on a 70 degree day in PA in January. This cigar and box, every cigar has truly impressed me. Glad i took it deep on the auctions and picked up another box. 

[jackupster]

I love the RACA. I had one around Xmas and it was smoking great. I have some of the 56 but I have had 3 that were plugged to hell. Maybe I will have to try one again since I have a PefectDraw now. 

[DeeBeezy]

What does @Elpresidente   Think?

[El Presidente]

33 minutes ago, dan benhamou said:

What does @Elpresidente   Think?

I would prefer the thoughts of others first 

[DeeBeezy]

I find the mag 56 a very overrated cigar had about 6 of them and none have been particularly great. 
 

club allones generally very good, nothing out of this world, I’m happy the price point has remained regular. 

[El Presidente]

1 minute ago, dan benhamou said:

I find the mag 56 a very overrated cigar had about 6 of them and none have been particularly great. 
 

club allones generally very good, nothing out of this world, I’m happy the price point has remained regular. 

That is why I love open discussion. 

I think the 56 is one of the greats. Up there among the best EL releases......and i hate the size!

RA has been steady. Evolution slow. Future, clouded.  Good cigar but "dour". can a cigar be dour?...i don't know but that is what comes to mind. 

 

[SenorPerfecto]

Is it possible these are already both past their prime...

[DeeBeezy]

3 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

 

I think the 56 is one of the greats. Up there among the best EL releases

 

This is interesting now.. as good as you may find it, would you say the quality of that cigar warrants one box purchase of that  vs 2 or 3 box purchases of your favourite regular production upmann? 

[JohnS]

I've had around 5 of each in the last 24 months. The Ramon Allones Club Allones I last had around 1 year ago (yes, my Cuban Cigar Website inventory states it was that long ago!) and that was average but the others were fine; above average ranging to superb.

The H.Upmann Magnum 56 I last had a few months ago and another a few months before that. Surprisingly, I had issues with both in regards to thin wrappers/construction etc. and hence they just didn't smoke well for me. Prior to this, the other ones were exemplary, yes.

[foursite12]

RACA:  "Dour"? Not sure that is the word but if you mean loss of vibrancy, I agree--on some examples anyway.  Others retain that snap that characterized them at release.  The first half dozen puffs are typically superb, big and ballsy but the middle half of the smoke is often less exciting.  I remain optimistic but share the thought that they're not going to get any better than they are now.

[sam]

Sounds like it is time for me to break into my couple of boxes of RACAs.  —-sam

[NSXCIGAR]

Last RACA I had last year was very similar to a RAS. They really seemed to settle down quite a bit. Nothing that incredible about it. Scored it a 92. Based on the performance of the 11 RAAE I'd say these RACA are probably out of gas in the short to medium term.

I had a Mag 56 middle of this year. It's a very nice cigar. Strength has settled and some complexity is coming in. Scored it a 94. Not sure what if anything the future holds for it. 

[nKostyan]

In my opinion, RA is now good and has another 1-2 years to age. HU is no longer available to me.

[El Presidente]

4 hours ago, dan benhamou said:

This is interesting now.. as good as you may find it, would you say the quality of that cigar warrants one box purchase of that  vs 2 or 3 box purchases of your favourite regular production upmann? 

I love  Thomas wines. 

I buy both his everyday red and his premium red. His premium is 3 times the price. I drink them in proportion 5:1. 

I do the same with the 56 and the Connie 1. 

 

[westg]

4 hours ago, SenorPerfecto said:

Is it possible these are already both past their prime...

I thinks so . Initially the first year with the 56 , I thought they were great , Rob picked me a gorgeous box . A bit of hard work to get through though...the size.

Now the fruit is going to start flying at me ....along with Connie A I think the 56 needed 12 to 18 months and that was it.They seem to just flatten out. Storage was / is perfect.!

The Club Allones , I think I picked up five or so boxes from Roberto....this price was unbloody believable. They look stunning , construction was/is spot on..

To this point they were all bloody awful. I think it is hard to see them change for the better.

The 56 a 93/94 points cigar

[SirVantes]

RACA: the Rieko Ioane of Cuban cigars 

[Meklown]

I had one RACA last year and it was sublime. Easily top 3 cigars of the year for me. 

In terms of becoming "dour", my impression of the RACA when young was a mouthful of soil. Now it's a mouthful of truffle. I guess the impact has gone but I much prefer the aroma now.

I haven't been tempted enough to reach for the Mag56 recently, but when young I remember it to be really complex with lots of flavours, but unsettled/scattered. I thought that it needed some time down for the flavours to mellow and ease out, and maybe blend with each other better. Maybe it is time to pull out one soon.

[Eric05]

People just forget how cheap the club ra was at the time and now thinking shoot. I should of picked up more. I’m still sitting on a box. I haven’t touched. Off topic but i think it’s the same with the topes. Boxes that were selling in the 200-300 now going for 500-700 in about a year of time. 

[RichUK]

The Mag 56 is one of my all time favourite cigars. The last one I had was NYE and it was 90 mins of sheer enjoyment. I think they are getter better and better. I regret not buying more when they came out and tend to buy them whenever I see them come up for sale now.

[El Presidente]

21 hours ago, foursite12 said:

RACA:  "Dour"? Not sure that is the word but if you mean loss of vibrancy, I agree--on some examples anyway.  Others retain that snap that characterized them at release.  The first half dozen puffs are typically superb, big and ballsy but the middle half of the smoke is often less exciting.  I remain optimistic but share the thought that they're not going to get any better than they are now.

You pretty much nailed it for me. 

They still appear largely "closed".  Lack of vibrancy. lack of that RA fruit. 

I can taste it on the fringes but it is hidden behind some form of wall right now.  

I find it hard to read the future of this cigar. 

[Tstew75]

Mag 56s are amazing, but haven't had one in about 6mo. Good reason to pull one out this weekend.

Never been a fan of the RA, and that's after trying cigars from 3 diff boxes. I don't see the finesse & substance needed to age.