encephalization Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 Sorry mate, CbC - Cuba being Cuba Translates to: No all weird looking stuff needs to be a sign of fake/fraud/counterfeit, as it can be a mere issue of poor QC. The stamp one (box code) might qualify for that category, but it is fishy. More bothering is the iron brand (the HSA stamping). That, to me, is looking entirely wrong, and there are several marks being off. Perhaps also a QC-thingy, who knows, and someone lost the original one and had to do some handicrafts for a makeshift one....lol. Or that particular factory had been using an odd "replacement" brand-template. At least, I have never seen such before.I appreciate the input, I really do. I've attached another photo of the iron brand, from less of an angle. What exactly is off? (for future reference)I have no doubts about authenticity, partly because of the source but mainly because of how the first one smoked (even with only three days rest). Pepper on the back, leather and cocoa (especially in the first and second third). Very complex with nuances changes throughout. Granted, all cigars could be the target of fakes but a figurado must be lower on the list.Nonetheless, I am glad for your expertise because it will definitely be in the back of my mind when I visit older shops in the future.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
MahDooRow Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 45 minutes ago, encephalization said: I appreciate the input, I really do. I've attached another photo of the iron brand, from less of an angle. What exactly is off? (for future reference) Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk I am by no means an expert regarding iron brand variations over the years. However, the font looks odd... especially "Habanos s.a.". It could be nothing more than poor quality control. 2
Fugu Posted June 11, 2017 Posted June 11, 2017 2 hours ago, encephalization said: I appreciate the input, I really do. I've attached another photo of the iron brand, from less of an angle. What exactly is off? (for future reference) I have no doubts about authenticity, partly because of the source but mainly because of how the first one smoked (even with only three days rest). Pepper on the back, leather and cocoa (especially in the first and second third). Very complex with nuances changes throughout. Granted, all cigars could be the target of fakes but a figurado must be lower on the list. Nonetheless, I am glad for your expertise because it will definitely be in the back of my mind when I visit older shops in the future. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk Mate, first of all let me say that this is in no way meant to rain on your parade. And I am not at all sure whether this may indeed be an indication of fake or else. But, the iron branding is completely different to what a Habanos-brand should look like. Take a look at the many other pictures in this thread or the info given on CCW. Font of 'Habanos' is wrong, as MahDooRow sais, spacing is off (too wide), the semi-circles of the rounded frame of 'Hecho en Cuba' look as if somehow pieced on (thickness). The "C" in 'Hecho' and in 'Cuba' appears smeared, as if taken from a different font or not 'mounted' correctly. Same holding for 'Habanos' - boldness of the 'H' and the 'b', H is in wrong font, etc. And finally it looks like just being stamped on and not imprinted with an iron punching. I've only seen such in recent years. All older production usually showing a more or less pronounced indentation. I haven't checked much of my stash, just tooked up some '05 boxes and all appear to bear the normal brand. Perhaps other members may be able to add info as to whether they do find a similar one to yours. One cannot rule out at this moment that this may be a different (diff. to standard) brand-pattern that had indeed been used in legit boxes for some time. Regarding the box code - just for the record, but this really could be CbC: Usually, the code is starting with the factory code and then follows the mmm and yy. Should read OCT of course and usually all in capital lettering. 2
MahDooRow Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Fugu said: Regarding the box code - just for the record, but this really could be CbC: Usually, the code is starting with the factory code and then follows the mmm and yy. Should read OCT of course and usually all in capital lettering. I also thought the box code was backwards (date code first followed by factory code), but an online search revealed this was common in 2005 for Partagas Aristocrats and Presidentes. The "t" in "oct" sure looks odd (more like an f than a t). On balance there are definitely some inconsistencies that raise suspicion. However, at the end of the day the proof will be in the smoking experience. If these sticks are counterfeit (and hopefully they are not) the OP should know as soon as he lights one up. Keep us posted.
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