Government response to the cigar petition in Canada

[benfica_77]

Ughhhh so much anger right now. Just received notification that there has been a response to the cigar petition a lot of us signed including myself. 

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-1858

Here's the official response to the petition. 

http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-1858/421-03160_HC_E.pdf

Canadian experience has also shown that when exemptions are made for some tobacco products, marketing strategies are adapted to continue to market products that appeal to youth. For instance, Health Canada’s 2009 flavour ban on little cigars prompted many manufacturers to increase the weight of their little cigars to continue marketing flavoured cigars that are attractive to youth.

Unfortunately, cigars are being used by Canadian youth today. Based on 2016-2017 data from the Canadian Student Tobacco, Alcohol and Drugs Survey, 2.5% of students in grades 7-12 reported having used a cigar in the past 30 days. The highest rate of use was among males in grades 10-12, where 6.7% admitted to having used a cigar in the past 30 days.

Did they asked the youth if those cigars contained marijuana or tobacco because I bet you it had weed in it! Mother F'ers 

 

[benfica_77]

Essentially this response could not be anymore bias. The only way this has a chance in hell of not happening now is if someone were to request an ATIP (access to information) request where you request all documents/emails related to this response and hope to find someone wrote an email or something inappropriate which could be used in the media or fight their sources. With the feds going into election soon this is the time to strike but realistically this has a 5% of not happening now. 

I am sorry to all the B and M's in Canada this will be the end of many. The NC selection won't keep me going there sadly since I don't smoke those anymore. Looks like i'm all in on FOH and buying straight from the motherland. 

[El Presidente]

The UK had a minute to midnight reprieve. 

Time to work out which politicians will come out publicly in support of small business. Time for the industry to roll out any media assets.  

Don't go down without a last minute dogfight. 

[dvickery]

54 minutes ago, benfica_77 said:

 2.5% of students in grades 7-12 reported having used a cigar in the past 30 days. The highest rate of use was among males in grades 10-12, where 6.7% admitted to having used a cigar in the past 30 days.

 

 

So much bullshit ... these numbers could very well represent a reduction in use ... how are we to know .

statistics are just a mathematical way to lie .

derrek

[Ritch]

Used? Use?

The way in which they talk about smoking a cigar is all you need to hear.

These people are the tee totalers. They are the health freak nut nuts who behave their entire life and drop down dead at 40 because God strikes them down due to a tragic waste of life.

No good ever comes of prohibition. It just polarises opinion and people and drives things underground.

 

 

[canadianbeaver]

Maybe 2.5 out of 100 used a cigar, possibly a flavoured cigar thing they called as such, like a brown stick from behind the counter at variety store. Certainly not the imported boxed item price level of CC, even at $10-120 CDN home a shot. NC could be similar but $5-75 CDN. (Approx., 1/3 of which is tax).

Or, if they somehow did get a CC from someone’s store humidor, this is nothing compared to driving after drinking the beer featured in a fun tv ad.

Last point, tax level for these cigars in Canada is as high as Uk, only at Cigar stores. Sometimes cc’s under the counter at variety shops if you ask, but these are not on display. And who knows what they are?

Cheers,

CB

 

[OZCUBAN]

I am afraid the outcome was always going to be this way just like here.they have their agenda and nothing and nobody will get in their  way ........

[Stump89]

10 hours ago, benfica_77 said:

Unfortunately, cigars are being used by Canadian youth today. Based on 2016-2017 data from the Canadian Student Tobacco, Alcohol and Drugs Survey, 2.5% of students in grades 7-12 reported having used a cigar in the past 30 days. The highest rate of use was among males in grades 10-12, where 6.7% admitted to having used a cigar in the past 30 days.

Do black and milds or other cheap bodega cigars count here? Or jacking them out of their parents' desktop humidor? 

The way their response is worded is also intended to vilify the industry. Kids aren't smoking cigars, they are 'using' them like hard drugs.

Damn shame.

[Corylax18]

11 hours ago, benfica_77 said:

Ughhhh so much anger right now. Just received notification that there has been a response to the cigar petition a lot of us signed including myself. 

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-1858

Here's the official response to the petition. 

http://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-1858/421-03160_HC_E.pdf

Canadian experience has also shown that when exemptions are made for some tobacco products, marketing strategies are adapted to continue to market products that appeal to youth. For instance, Health Canada’s 2009 flavour ban on little cigars prompted many manufacturers to increase the weight of their little cigars to continue marketing flavoured cigars that are attractive to youth.

Unfortunately, cigars are being used by Canadian youth today. Based on 2016-2017 data from the Canadian Student Tobacco, Alcohol and Drugs Survey, 2.5% of students in grades 7-12 reported having used a cigar in the past 30 days. The highest rate of use was among males in grades 10-12, where 6.7% admitted to having used a cigar in the past 30 days.

Did they asked the youth if those cigars contained marijuana or tobacco because I bet you it had weed in it! Mother F'ers 

 

In the states, many (far higher than 6.7%) of 12th graders have already turned 18, making them adults. Free to smoke if they please. Does this survey remove those individuals from the results? I doubt it. Stats and lies. 

[GrouchoMarx]

A bullshit response if there ever was one.

My question would be what happens to cigars shipped from overseas to a person?

[MooseAMuffin]

Complete crap. 

I never smoked when I was a teen but, unless things have changed, I did not make nearly enough money to afford an actual cigar. I can see Black n Milds being affordable, but an NC or CC...no way.

Hell, with HSA upping their prices way past inflation every year, I can barely afford cigars now!

What would we do without governments to tell us what we need?? I shudder to think. 

[argrovesjd]

Total BS.  

[Freddo]

Grade 7-12, It made me wonder where they found their coins.

[benfica_77]

Exactly when cigar taxes are so high!!

[dowjr1]

This is what happens when the people elect those who think the govt is in charge and not the people.  The govt has supreme power and just grows and grows until they start regulating and taxing everything.