England V Scotland

[ayepatz]

Am I biased, or was that one of the most extraordinary games of rugby of all time?

[Ken Gargett]

12 minutes ago, ayepatz said:

Am I biased, or was that one of the most extraordinary games of rugby of all time?

only read the progress on the internet sites but it did sound like that unbelievable bledisloe cup game around 2000 where lomu scored at full time to win for the kiwis. from memory, they were 28-0 after seven minutes (talk about the wallabies and slow starts!). we came back, it see-sawed. but the play was brilliant and it was an era with many greats on both sides. 

for some reason, this sort of thing has become far more commonplace these days. once, a 20, or especially 30 point lead was game over. now, it can be run down in minutes. has defence become that poor?

take super rugby this weekend. reds down about 16 at half time. back to win it.

the rebels in south africa - leading by 33-5 with 30 to go and got done. of course, that just might have more to do with the ref. a south african (he can't be as biased as that appalling stuart berry - and if you doubt me, the internet will lead you to articles written by south africans in south african publications about how embarrassing it was to have a bloke who only ref'd one team (the opposition), blew sides off the park, was clearly biased and referred to the home team as "we") giving a penalty count of 20-1, a couple of yellow cards to rebel players for lord knows what and overruling a rebels try when it apparently clearly was.

said it before, until super rugby has independent refs, it will remain a farce. 

but i digress. 

so, my (not very helpful) answer would be yes and no. 

but the good thing is it will cause all sorts of gnashing of teeth in england in the lead-up to the Cup. 

[gweilgi]

37 minutes ago, ayepatz said:

Am I biased, or was that one of the most extraordinary games of rugby of all time?

You are biased, but so am I -- a bloody amazing match!  Excellent display of skills, beautiful tries from both sides!

And England were lucky to get this result -- that shoulder charge by Farrell should have resulted in a yellow card and I doubt that one man down they could have forced the draw.  

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, gweilgi said:

You are biased, but so am I -- a bloody amazing match!  Excellent display of skills, beautiful tries from both sides!

And England were lucky to get this result -- that shoulder charge by Farrell should have resulted in a yellow card and I doubt that one man down they could have forced the draw.  

you have just stunned me!

as i mentioned, only followed via news reports. have seen nothing.

you mentioned a shoulder charge by farrell (and that he was let off the card). flabbergasted. i am truly staggered. this bloke has a long history of these (and getting away with them). he is going to cost england in a massive way. can't believe jones allows him to continue with this. he clearly has a compulsive problem and is unable to help himself. he is going to hurt england. 

amazed! 

[gweilgi]

5 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said:

you have just stunned me!

as i mentioned, only followed via news reports. have seen nothing.

you mentioned a shoulder charge by farrell (and that he was let off the card). flabbergasted. i am truly staggered. this bloke has a long history of these (and getting away with them). he is going to cost england in a massive way. can't believe jones allows him to continue with this. he clearly has a compulsive problem and is unable to help himself. he is going to hurt england. 

amazed! 

Agreed, on all counts.

Especially as this was a generally well-plaid match with good discipline on both sides and few penalties.  Too, the ref was generally not bad and let the game flow, so much so that I rewound the moment several times just to make sure.  

[GP]

Am I biased, or was that one of the most extraordinary games of rugby of all time?

You’re certainly not wrong!


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[99call]

4 hours ago, ayepatz said:

Am I biased

So am I, so my answer is ..........who cares.       COME ON WALES!

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[99call]

4 hours ago, ayepatz said:

most extraordinary games of rugby of all time

Good on Scotland, always nice to see Eddie Jones wincing his way through another press conference.    England 'in game intelligence' is the worst in world rugby.    I bit like mesmerising a 'first contact' amazonian tribe with a pocket watch.......if you alter the game plan in any way during the game, Englands performs a collective brain fart, that turns Twickenham into a stinky chernobyl-like hinterland. 

My all time favourite is James Haskell asking the ref for help to understand the breakdown.....something he should know like the back of his hand. 

 

[99call]

Has anybody notice "Eddie's eyebrow rageometer".  with his increased levels of internal toxic turmoil, the left eyebrow seems to cut adrift and travel up to his failing hair line. 

 

[Haaltert]

1 hour ago, 99call said:

 

I saw the game Wales v England in Cardiff. So here is another Come on Wales!

[El Presidente]

Brilliant weekend of rugby!!!

[oliverdst]

I don't watch rugby often but yesterday I was. Beautiful.

[shippers]

I need to watch it again... I had one too many beers!

[bayala]

19 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

for some reason, this sort of thing has become far more commonplace these days. once, a 20, or especially 30 point lead was game over. now, it can be run down in minutes. has defence become that poor?

They talk about "momentum" being more important in League broadcasts all the time. Not sure how to explain why or how it happens but there's no doubt that teams who consistently halt another team's momentum and then go on a run of their own are the most successful. 

[99call]

17 hours ago, Ken Gargett said:

has defence become that poor?

The lions tour was very interesting regarding this.  Before this tour, it always seemed a non starter conversation that NZ rugby was leading the way.  

Watching super rugby these days, the spectre (aka tries) is everything, but the defence and place kicking are woeful. Throughout the last Lions tour the last two tests, and regional games proved that modern northern hemisphere rugby can choke the NZ game to death.    Claustrophobic defence, married with accuracy in the set piece/place kicking, can override the super rugby style. 

 

[Ken Gargett]

Just now, 99call said:

The lions tour was very interesting regarding this.  Before this tour, it always seemed a non starter conversation that NZ rugby was leading the way.  

Watching super rugby these days, the spectre (aka tries) is everything, but the defence and place kicking are woeful. Throughout the last Lions tour the last two tests, and regional games proved that modern northern hemisphere rugby can choke the NZ game to death.    Claustrophobic defence, married with accuracy in the set piece/place kicking, can override the super rugby style. 

 

i was over for the second test of that series. it was like rugby from the good old days. best game of the year for me. didn't really care who won but just enjoyed the game. 

[Ken Gargett]

13 hours ago, 99call said:

 

My all time favourite is James Haskell asking the ref for help to understand the breakdown.....something he should know like the back of his hand. 

 

during the 03 world cup, i was near the sideline and a kiwi ref was doing the sideline for an england game (might have even been against wales?). a pommy player started yelling about something. the ref just shook his head, looked at the player, and said, 'i see that your village is missing its idiot today'. 

[99call]

Just now, Ken Gargett said:

i was over for the second test of that series. it was like rugby from the good old days. best game of the year for me. didn't really care who won but just enjoyed the game. 

super jealous Ken,  it was a great series!   As with boxing, a mix of styles always makes for the best spectacle.    Im hoping the Saffers continue to improve, as I have a feeling if they don't, the next series might be a cake walk.