An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Post-Revolution Havana Cigars by Min Ron Nee (1st Edition), what's up with the increase in price?

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Did Min Ron Nee ever make an errata sheet available of the corrections to the second printing?

Every technical author I’ve ever met expressed relief and pride, followed by shock at the mistakes they’d made. Most people never get the opportunity of a second printing to correct them.

[Nino]

2 hours ago, bpm32 said:

Did Min Ron Nee ever make an errata sheet available of the corrections to the second printing?

Every technical author I’ve ever met expressed relief and pride, followed by shock at the mistakes they’d made. Most people never get the opportunity of a second printing to correct them.

Yes.
 

There is an errata sheet for the first edition.

[bpm32]

18 minutes ago, nino said:

Yes.
 

There is an errata sheet for the first edition.

Sorry, that’s what I meant—the changes between the first and second printings of the first edition. Do you know where I can find a copy of that?

[boopdeep]

Just bought a copy of the 2nd printing on eBay. Excited to finally get to flip through it. 

[Derboesekoenig]

Lol so you were the one that outbid me. Oh well, my fault because I totally forgot about it

[Nino]

12 hours ago, bpm32 said:

Sorry, that’s what I meant—the changes between the first and second printings of the first edition. Do you know where I can find a copy of that?

You have PM.

 

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On 8/20/2018 at 9:28 PM, NYgarman said:

You can thank those politicians for keeping the embargo in place. It benefits you, me, and all of us in the USA as far as Cuban cigars go. If lifted, cigar quality would decline greatly and you would pay out the ass for cigars as ol' Uncle Sam would take a royal tax bite out of our rear ends. Just ask our mates in Australia or Canada what taxes on Cuban cigars are like!

It seems you might have misunderstood current taxation schemes. In Canada (or Australia), all tobacco products are taxed, regardless of origin, based on weight (and additional factors).

Cigars in the US are taxed in some states/districts/cities. A tobacco taxation chart is available online if you google for it.

 

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, Jeanff said:

It seems you might have misunderstood current taxation schemes. In Canada (or Australia), all tobacco products are taxed, regardless of origin, based on weight (and additional factors).

Cigars in the US are taxed in some states/districts/cities. A tobacco taxation chart is available online if you google for it.

 

I could be wrong, but I think he is pointing out the fact that because the cigars we (in the US) are getting are illegal, we pay no tax on them. The government doesn’t know we are receiving them, except when they do.

If they become legal, they will be subject to the same tobacco taxes that legal cigars are subject to.

[SCgarman]

34 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

I could be wrong, but I think he is pointing out the fact that because the cigars we (in the US) are getting are illegal, we pay no tax on them. The government doesn’t know we are receiving them, except when they do.

If they become legal, they will be subject to the same tobacco taxes that legal cigars are subject to.

Exactly!! Thanks for the clarification. 

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1 hour ago, SigmundChurchill said:

I could be wrong, but I think he is pointing out the fact that because the cigars we (in the US) are getting are illegal, we pay no tax on them. The government doesn’t know we are receiving them, except when they do.

If they become legal, they will be subject to the same tobacco taxes that legal cigars are subject to.

As I pointed out, taxation (retail) on cigars is on a state by state case, usually quite low to zero (PA, FL, others).

Regarding import taxes (for retailers), unless a special case is made for Cuba, as opposed to cigars already imported from DR, Hondura, Nicaragua and others, I doubt taxes would be an issue.

Some retailers would set up shop in one of the no/low tax states and sell on the internet then ship across states as is currently the case for the current non-Cuban cigar market.

[SigmundChurchill]

4 minutes ago, Jeanff said:

As I pointed out, taxation (retail) on cigars is on a state by state case, usually quite low to zero (PA, FL, others).

Regarding import taxes (for retailers), unless a special case is made for Cuba, as opposed to cigars already imported from DR, Hondura, Nicaragua and others, I doubt taxes would be an issue.

Some retailers would set up shop in one of the no/low tax states and sell on the internet then ship across states as is currently the case for the current non-Cuban cigar market.

But if legalized, I would think most buyers would be buying in local shops like they do in much of the rest of the world.  Plus, many states have very high tobacco taxes.  And I dont see many sellers, online or otherwise, continuing to smuggle cigars across borders, state or national, when there is a legal method of selling their cigars.  Why should they take the risk of losing their shipments when there is a legal way to send them.  Don't you guys in Canada currently pay tobacco tax on cigars you order online?  Why would it be different in the States?

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12 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

But if legalized, I would think most buyers would be buying in local shops like they do in much of the rest of the world.  Plus, many states have very high tobacco taxes.  And I dont see many sellers, online or otherwise, continuing to smuggle cigars across borders, state or national, when there is a legal method of selling their cigars.  Why should they take the risk of losing their shipments when there is a legal way to send them.  Don't you guys in Canada currently pay tobacco tax on cigars you order online?  Why would it be different in the States?

If one lives in NY City (example) and wishes to buy locally, then of course that customer will have to pay taxes.

However, as I pointed out, it is so easy/practical to order online and have a parcel cross states borders. There is no real border to cross/verification from government officials/taxes or duty to be paid that way. Again, purchased from within the US, just from a different jurisdiction where the tax code is different. No country border to cross...

When ordering cigars to Canada, these cigars need to fly in from Switzerland, Australia, etc and in doing so are required to go through customs where the are likely to be flagged and labeled for taxes & duties to be paid by the recipient.

Tobacco in Canada gets identified for taxation as it enters the country which is not the case in the US. This then affects the retail price. As an example, let's take a Rocky Patel Edge whatever. In PA, this cigar retails at 5$us (random number for comparison) while it may retail at 20$can in Toronto. Cuba is not special here, just the nature of the product.

At this point, if anything remains unclear, please point me in the direction of the specific part which might still remain unclear. Cheers!

 

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, Jeanff said:

If one lives in NY City (example) and wishes to buy locally, then of course that customer will have to pay taxes.

However, as I pointed out, it is so easy/practical to order online and have a parcel cross states borders. There is no real border to cross/verification from government officials/taxes or duty to be paid that way. Again, purchased from within the US, just from a different jurisdiction where the tax code is different. No country border to cross...

When ordering cigars to Canada, these cigars need to fly in from Switzerland, Australia, etc and in doing so are required to go through customs where the are likely to be flagged and labeled for taxes & duties to be paid by the recipient.

Tobacco in Canada gets identified for taxation as it enters the country which is not the case in the US. This then affects the retail price. As an example, let's take a Rocky Patel Edge whatever. In PA, this cigar retails at 5$us (random number for comparison) while it may retail at 20$can in Toronto. Cuba is not special here, just the nature of the product.

At this point, if anything remains unclear, please point me in the direction of the specific part which might still remain unclear. Cheers!

 

You are still supposed to pay taxes in your own state, even if voluntarily.  So you are saying just don’t pay them, as most people probably don’t.  So now you have legal cigars, but you are still breaking the law.  If that is what you mean, ok, I get it.

and in no way did I mean Cuba had any special tax considerations.  Just that they are not legal, and therefore not taxed.  And I am willing to bet that if legal, there would be increased scrutiny over online orders because now there is a monetary incentive for the state that didn’t exist before.

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20 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

You are still supposed to pay taxes in your own state, even if voluntarily.  So you are saying just don’t pay them, as most people probably don’t.  So now you have legal cigars, but you are still breaking the law.  If that is what you mean, ok, I get it.

and in no way did I mean Cuba had any special tax considerations.  Just that they are not legal, and therefore not taxed.  And I am willing to bet that if legal, there would be increased scrutiny over online orders because now there is a monetary incentive for the state that didn’t exist before.

Sorry to insist but the "monetary incentive for the state" already exists for all the non-Cubans sold by the million boxes online within the US and I haven't read yet about any state running after consumers having failed to declare their across-states tobacco purchases...

I wonder which is morally worse (and which would bring the worse criminal penalty), doing the illegal action of ordering Cuban cigars online or failing to report you state taxable tobacco purchases?

[SigmundChurchill]

1 hour ago, Jeanff said:

Sorry to insist but the "monetary incentive for the state" already exists for all the non-Cubans sold by the million boxes online within the US and I haven't read yet about any state running after consumers having failed to declare their across-states tobacco purchases...

I wonder which is morally worse (and which would bring the worse criminal penalty), doing the illegal action of ordering Cuban cigars online or failing to report you state taxable tobacco purchases?

I’ll somewhat concede state to state.  I say somewhat because the US retailers have already added the federal excise tax to the product, even if they are in a low tax state.  But when ordering from a foreign retailer, the product will be subject to tax and customs. This is directly from the Treasury department website concerning importing of legal tobacco products:

“There is currently no Federal law that prohibits Internet tobacco product sales. However, there is also no exemption from Federal laws for tobacco products ordered over the Internet. Therefore, consumers who order tobacco products to be shipped to them from outside the United States are not exempt from payment of Federal excise tax and customs duties due on these products when imported.

In addition, consumers who use the Internet to buy cigarettes from vendors outside their State may be liable for their State’s cigarette excise and/or sales taxes, and a State may have prohibitions or restrictions on Internet or mail-order purchases of tobacco products, or may have special requirements for such purchases. For information about State requirements, contact the agency in your State with authority for tax administration. Under Federal law, cigarette vendors who sell and ship cigarettes into another State to anyone other than a licensed distributor must report to the State (1) the name and address of the person(s) to whom cigarettes shipments were made, (2) the brands of cigarettes shipped, and (3) the quantities of cigarettes shipped.”

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10 minutes ago, SigmundChurchill said:

I’ll somewhat concede state to state.  I say somewhat because the US retailers have already added the federal excise tax to the product, even if they are in a low tax state.  But when ordering from a foreign retailer, the product will be subject to tax and customs. This is directly from the Treasury department website concerning importing of legal tobacco products:

“There is currently no Federal law that prohibits Internet tobacco product sales. However, there is also no exemption from Federal laws for tobacco products ordered over the Internet. Therefore, consumers who order tobacco products to be shipped to them from outside the United States are not exempt from payment of Federal excise tax and customs duties due on these products when imported.

In addition, consumers who use the Internet to buy cigarettes from vendors outside their State may be liable for their State’s cigarette excise and/or sales taxes, and a State may have prohibitions or restrictions on Internet or mail-order purchases of tobacco products, or may have special requirements for such purchases. For information about State requirements, contact the agency in your State with authority for tax administration. Under Federal law, cigarette vendors who sell and ship cigarettes into another State to anyone other than a licensed distributor must report to the State (1) the name and address of the person(s) to whom cigarettes shipments were made, (2) the brands of cigarettes shipped, and (3) the quantities of cigarettes shipped.”

My argument is based on the assumption that once the embargo is lifted, importers would be likely to import cigars from Cuba in a similar fashion as they already do with cigars from other countries of origin and that a comparable tax pattern would apply.

This opinion is based both on how Habanos are imported to all other countries and the extensive history of tobacco importation to the US from other countries.

Unless a considerable markup is applied to Habanos by suppliers in the US to cash in on the newly available/highly desirable Habanos, one could expect prices closer to duty free than Canadian prices (state taxes notwithstanding, to be paid mostly on a self-declaration basis).

Food for thought...

Trust me, noboby does taxes like industrialized Commonwealth countries ?

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Oh, by the way, honestly sorry for hijacking this thread. Cheers!

[BellevilleMXZ]

I see a few spanish ones floating around when I was there last month, I wonder if they are worth much? Selling in Cuba for 109 cuc

 

[Derboesekoenig]

Hey guys, just wanted to warn anyone. There is one on ebay right now with a reserve and if you don't pay attention, you might not catch it! He is selling the Spanish version. Buena suerte!

[NSXCIGAR]

On 8/27/2018 at 1:51 PM, Jeanff said:

My argument is based on the assumption that once the embargo is lifted, importers would be likely to import cigars from Cuba in a similar fashion as they already do with cigars from other countries of origin and that a comparable tax pattern would apply.

Won't be an issue for the US as the only importer will be a HSA-approved one. There might be two (one east coast, one west coast) but I doubt it. 

This distributor will have already paid the duties and that will be baked in to the price to the retailers. 

Statewide, it will be the same as it currently is for NCs. Most if not all NCs also have distributors that do the importing and the retailers are responsible for the state taxes for product from those distributors.

[Jack]

Regarding high prices: I did have one sealed copy left and a woman wanted it quite dearly for her boss.  I priced it at US$699 plus shipping and she didn't hesitate for a moment.?