Plain Packaging Options.

[Tollickd]

 

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[Tollickd]

Fully agree !

Guess I will start keeping as many of my empty boxes as I possibly can.

Certain NOT to buy plain packaged stuff, even if it involves flying to Cuba more often ... :-)
 

Everytime I go to my LCDH I ask if she has any boxes it's like pulling teeth. Ur I get one or two! This time I will take pics of my wine cooler and say I need as many as I can get to line it also I will be spending a lot of money now!


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[Piligrim]

These avoid stickers are awful

 

 

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[JamesKPolkEsq]

Honestly, I love going to the humidor and checking out the collection. Appreciating the cigars with all five senses, it makes me happy! The artwork plays a role, but it's a 5% kinda thing for me. 

Would I have a problem with unbanded cigars? Not really, but Fugu does bring up the topic of counterfeit merchandise.

How could you possibly be confident that you are getting the real deal, especially if you are buying singles? 

[fabes]

Artistry aside (which we all love dearly) there is the subliminal aspect of the band and box that affect our perception of what we are smoking. 

We pull out a rosado RyJ and visually clue in and derive that it will have a cherry essence. (Or whatever you’ve come to expect of whatever marca.) Smoke that same cigar during a blind tasting and you’re way off. We see the evidence that most people can’t detect most cigars in a blind tasting scenario. 

So in a plain packaging world, what’s the point of different brands/marcas? 

On a positive note I think plain packaging might weed out “special releases” like petit robustos and montescos that sell for $20/cigar as there’s really nothing special anymore once you’re removed the secondary regional band. So perhaps there would be a higher importance on standard blends and construction quality if that’s the only remaining differentiator. 

On the scarier note I fear we may see selection reduced dramatically. It may end up going from 8 robusto/hermosos no4 down to just a single ‘cuban robusto’. From a business standpoint it makes more sense than keeping a plain packaged Sancho Panza afloat only to sit on retail shelves for years.

[Cohiba007]

Guess I would order another Aristocrat and stock up. 

[BrightonCorgi]

You know what comes after plain packaging?  Banning cigars altogether...

[Islandboy]

I’m a bit confused (as usual). I’m reading that Australia passed plain packaging laws back in 2012. Apparently this has not affected cigars sold there, or has it? How has this manifested itself after 6 years?

[Pierre]

I am totally against for many of the already mentioned reasons : 

• I agree to say we don't smoke boxes or bands but CC are a work of art, boxes and bands are part of the work of art (boxes like Behike, varnished 898, Espléndidos / Pirámides extra are really worth keeping).
• The only positive point could be a decrease in price because of the lack of effort in packaging but we know this won't happen and I wouldn't like it anyway.
• Bigger difficulties to identify fakes

I just really would hate this kind of Marlboro packaging on a 200-higher dollars box of cigars. As somebody mentioned, you wouldn't buy a fine cognac or champagne in a generic glass bottle.

[FidelCashflow]

I’m a bit confused (as usual). I’m reading that Australia passed plain packaging laws back in 2012. Apparently this has not affected cigars sold there, or has it? How has this manifested itself after 6 years?

That law seems to have impacted cigarettes only.

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[Kitchen]

The question really becomes, where does it stop, if it does stop?  I mean the government does not have a history of retreating, or even simply maintaining the status quo, on things like this. 

Although I rarely drink or eat soft drinks and fast food, there has been an assault on these items too.  Will these items become a victim of plain packaging, eventually, or, like here in the USA, be required to cover almost the entire exterior surface area of the packaging with warnings?  I am going to guess more then likely; San Fransisco has already tried. 

(How about just plain old refined sugar?  Will the 5 lb bags I pick up at the grocery now be covered with warning labels too?  Let us not forget the evil white flour either.  "Sorry, this is not whole grain, you need to be warned how bad it's for you.")  

Half of me is hoping that in fact they do start going after the food industry too.  The cigar lobby I fear nether has enough money nor the support to fight the government on this, but the food lobby, they can go the distance.  

[BrightonCorgi]

I thought Cuba had to start doing more to combat tobacco use as being a part of the World Health Organization?

[Monterey]

If plain package law is passed in Oz does that mean we will no longer get original boxes from here?

[El Presidente]

7 hours ago, FidelCashflow said:

That law seems to have impacted cigarettes only.

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The law has impacted all tobacco products for domestic consumption. Not export.

[El Presidente]

12 hours ago, Piligrim said:

 

On a positive note......he does have all his own teeth 

[anacostiakat]

  Very attractive!  Nice pics of a meth heads mouth.  Sigh.  This goes right along with third hand smoke. 

[thedame007]

31 minutes ago, anacostiakat said:

  Very attractive!  Nice pics of a meth heads mouth.  Sigh.  This goes right along with third hand smoke. 

I'd like to think the commission they get from these pictures helps fund their 'filthy' habits  

[hedgeybaby]

Surely they could simply place a sticker over the existing decoration whilst in the store. The sticker would be made of glue that peels away easily. 

Anyway, this is another example of why I hate government. 

We should all try and pay as little tax as possible. They only waste the money anyway.

[Tollickd]

Surely they could simply place a sticker over the existing decoration whilst in the store. The sticker would be made of glue that peels away easily. 
Anyway, this is another example of why I hate government. 
We should all try and pay as little tax as possible. They only waste the money anyway.

I agree maybe they could have the labels be easy peel off! Keep the nanny state happy and the consumer!


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[Lucifer Morningstar]

On 22/05/2018 at 2:19 PM, El Presidente said:

So my questions are :

1. How much would plain packaging worry you?

2. Would you prefer to go to bandless bundles?

3. Do you have any other "unique" solutions?

4 . Do you start an online cuba band and box store? 

 

1 - Not at all.
2 - No. Considering from all the stores in Australia I've bought from keep the original bands under the plain packaging ones I see no point going bandless. Why some stores remove the original bands when plain packaging doesn't require you to bewilders me. Which is the main reason I don't/won't shop there. While I don't exactly care for the bands, it's a matter of principal. 
3 - I don't agree with plain packaging, I would rather have less taxes, though. Main reason I import is it's cheaper.
4 - Plenty of stores to by from already.

On a side note - I've been to a few B&M and simply asked for original cigar boxes - they've been happy to oblige on the condition I'm not a government official.
I mean seriously, a tonne of people do "money under the counter" it's no secret, so B&M doing real boxes isn't exactly unknown either.

Adding on to the matter of principal - I don't go to the vet 3 minutes away because he's a wanker, so I go to the one 10 minutes away that costs more - but they're nicer.
I won't vote for a party that's republican, or has a republican leader because I'm a staunch monarchist and proudly have The Queen's portrait in the loungeroom.
Things like that. I'd rather have the original bands on the cigars under the plain packaging ones, as is allowed. I like putting them in a jar, even though I don't exactly look at the jar for any longer than it takes to stuff any in there.

[hedgeybaby]

From the wonderful Christopher Snowdon at the Institute of Economic Affairs.

 

Eating sugary food, drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes are legal activities. But politicians still use the law to discourage them. They raise their price, prohibit or limit their advertisement, restrict where they can be sold and consumed, and sometimes ban them outright. These politicians thereby violate John Stuart Mill’s famous principle that people should be free to do whatever they like, provided they harm no one but themselves.

Why? What can justify these paternalistic policies?

Killjoys reviews the full range of justifications that have been offered: from the idea that people are too irrational to make sensible decisions to the idea that they are effectively compelled by advertising to harm themselves.

The author, Christopher Snowdon, exposes the logical or factual errors that undermine each purported justification. He thus provides a comprehensive critique of the health paternalism that has been adopted by governments around the world.

 

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Killjoys-final-PDF.pdf

 

[zyxwvu44]

I was very excited to see these great stickers on my regionals....Purchased in their respective countries. Box codes completely covered too.

[GrouchoMarx]

fkn nazis.

[thedame007]

Just reading this article this morning, with researchers and campaigners lobbying for rotten teeth images to be placed on sugary drinks (or pictures of amputated limbs...)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/may/24/rotten-teeth-health-warning-on-sugary-drinks-could-deter-buyers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Insanity. 

[99call]

To me the option that would satisfy everyone (sort of) would be

- The Boite Nature fully branded, but then with all the stupid blacked out, plain packaging stuff all over it

- Remove your cigars (temporarily) and hair dryer off all the stupid crap, once again revealing your plain Boite Nature with branding.

- Quick wipe with pure acetone to remove gummy residue, and sit for ten minutes to fully off-gas

- Then along with you cigars inside, is a glassine envelope of all of your stickers/side ribbons etc and you effectively just DIY.

The packaging nazis have done their job, but critically its something you can reverse. Problem solved.  Yes it would be annoying, but not as annoying as having ugly boxes in your collection.