Eduardo VII cigars

[samanderson]

Hi all,

My name is Sam and I'm new to the forum. Been smoking cigars for more than 15 years, but never joined a forum before. So hi!

I've a question about a cigar I came across recently, but have not been able to find information about.

An antique shop near where I live has a box of old-looking cigars. They are the brand Eduardo VII. On the band they have a picture of Edward VII and the word Havana. On the side of the box it has the words LLERANDI HNOS. The two words are on a line each, but they could be one word?

The cigars are perfecto in shape and there are about 40 in the box--only a few have been smoked. They are completely dry, and a few have wrapper damage, but the rest are in very good shape.

I should have taken a photo but I can go and get one if that would be helpful. Any information about these cigars would be much appreciated.

Cheers!

[madandana]

Welcome Sam.

[prodigy]

Odds are they haven't been properly cared for. I wouldn't waste my time with them unless they were priced dirt cheap. Just my opinion. A picture would be cool.

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[Danimalia]

16 minutes ago, samanderson said:

Hi all,

My name is Sam and I'm new to the forum. Been smoking cigars for more than 15 years, but never joined a forum before. So hi!

I've a question about a cigar I came across recently, but have not been able to find information about.

An antique shop near where I live has a box of old-looking cigars. They are the brand Eduardo VII. On the band they have a picture of Edward VII and the word Havana. On the side of the box it has the words LLERANDI HNOS. The two words are on a line each, but they could be one word?

The cigars are perfecto in shape and there are about 40 in the box--only a few have been smoked. They are completely dry, and a few have wrapper damage, but the rest are in very good shape.

I should have taken a photo but I can go and get one if that would be helpful. Any information about these cigars would be much appreciated.

Cheers!

LLERANDI HNOS means Llerandi brothers. Hno/s is a Spanish abbreviation for siblings. Sorry, but I don't have any more info.

You may want to check out cubancigarwebsite.com 

[samanderson]

49 minutes ago, prodigy said:

Odds are they haven't been properly cared for. I wouldn't waste my time with them unless they were priced dirt cheap. Just my opinion. A picture would be cool.

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Thanks prodigy, they are around $120 for the lot. Could probably get them a bit cheaper though.

47 minutes ago, Danimalia said:

LLERANDI HNOS means Llerandi brothers. Hno/s is a Spanish abbreviation for siblings. Sorry, but I don't have any more info.

You may want to check out cubancigarwebsite.com 

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks so much, Danimalia.

[Fuzz]

Llerandi Hnos was a Pre-Revolution brand.

https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand/pre1960brands

[samanderson]

17 hours ago, Fuzz said:

Llerandi Hnos was a Pre-Revolution brand.

https://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand/pre1960brands

Yeah, thanks, I saw this after the link from Danimalia.

So given that these are named after Edward VII (reigned 1901-1910) do you think these cigars could be around 100 years old? What are the chances of slowly reviving cigars like this?

If they aren't going to ever be any good, would anyone buy them just for collecting value? If so, what would you pay?

 

[HarveyBoulevard]

I'd buy them just for the fun of it @ $120 even if I wasn't able to smoke them.  Great conversation piece and great slice of cigar history.

[Fugu]

There is a pic of the vista in the book of Deschodt & Morane (but it would be spelled Edouard, not Eduardo). Taking it from the info given in Adriano Rius' 'Gran Libro', on a glimpse Llerandi Hnos seem to haven't been active anymore by 1958, so said box will have at least 60 years on it.

I guess it hasn't been a very rare production, but I am with @HarveyBoulevard here - at that price, and provided they are not totally beetle-rotten, could be a nice collectible from the pre-revolution era, perhaps even worth trying smoking.

[samanderson]

1 hour ago, HarveyBoulevard said:

I'd buy them just for the fun of it @ $120 even if I wasn't able to smoke them.  Great conversation piece and great slice of cigar history.

Hey, thanks for the reply. Yeah, I was kinda thinking that, too.

46 minutes ago, Fugu said:

There is a pic of the vista in the book of Deschodt & Morane (but it would be spelled Edouard, not Eduardo). Taking it from the info given in Adriano Rius' 'Gran Libro', on a glimpse Llerandi Hnos seem to haven't been active anymore by 1958, so said box will have at least 60 years on it.

I guess it hasn't been a very rare production, but I am with @HarveyBoulevard here - at that price, and provided they are not totally beetle-rotten, could be a nice collectible from the pre-revolution era, perhaps even worth trying smoking.

Thanks for the extra information, Fugu. That's helpful to know that they at least pre-dated 1958. I would certainly try one after a very gentle re-humidification. I'll have too look up how to do that though. I didn't seen any holes at all, so I don't think they've been attacked by beetles. I'll have to go back and have another look.

[Fugu]

5 minutes ago, samanderson said:

I'll have to go back and have another look.

If you have a chance get us some pics!

[samanderson]

Thanks guys. I did go and by them cause I agree that they are an interesting item. There are 41 in total, and the box held 48. There is a little wrapper damage around the cap on the 5 in the top row, and a little cracking on the foot of about 4-5 lower down as well. Other than that they are in very good condition. 

I ended up paying $100

Here are some pics.

 

 

[HarveyBoulevard]

Super cool. Thanks for the pictures. 

[cmbarton]

Wow ... fascinating! Hope you can revive them and report back your experience!


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[prodigy]

Just send me one to test

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[Andy04]

What an amazing find!

 

What was the address of antique shop you said had them for sale...

[Fuzz]

3 hours ago, samanderson said:

Thanks guys. I did go and by them cause I agree that they are an interesting item. There are 41 in total, and the box held 48. There is a little wrapper damage around the cap on the 5 in the top row, and a little cracking on the foot of about 4-5 lower down as well. Other than that they are in very good condition. 

I ended up paying $100

Here are some pics.

 

 

A little bit of pectin and some rolling papers will fix up those damaged caps.

[awkwardPause]

Very cool and some impressive packaging there! Nice find.

 

 

[Andy04]

100 bucks is a steal

[Wilzc]

Looks like it became cardboard

[Fugu]

Hmm, very interesting box, sporting a very elaborate lithography for the vista (and perhaps older than anticipated, but I am far from being an expert). This is different to the vista I got in the book here.

What appears noteworthy, is that there is no name or marca, no company info stated on the cubierta or vista, neither on the bofeton. Only to be found on the papeleta. This is quite unusual, even for the beginning of the 20th century. A warranty seal is missing, instead some other seal is applied on the left side. Would you be able to show us pics of the underside of the box? Any more information, like marca and vitola being quoted on the sides of the box? Can you decipher what is written on the small seal printed in red, looking like a tax-seal (I read something like 'consumo interno'?).

[samanderson]

On 12/19/2017 at 1:12 PM, HarveyBoulevard said:

Super cool. Thanks for the pictures. 

No worries. Cheers.

On 12/19/2017 at 4:47 PM, Fuzz said:

A little bit of pectin and some rolling papers will fix up those damaged caps.

Thanks. Do you mean standard cigarette rolling papers?

On 12/19/2017 at 8:09 PM, awkwardPause said:

Very cool and some impressive packaging there! Nice find.

 

 

Yeah, I like them. They are going on top of our upright grand piano circa 1904.

On 12/19/2017 at 8:12 PM, Andy04 said:

100 bucks is a steal

Glad you think so. I'm pretty happy with them. Cheers.

On 12/20/2017 at 12:15 AM, Wilzc said:

Looks like it became cardboard

I'm not sure what you are referring to there, Wilzc. 

[samanderson]

13 hours ago, Fugu said:

Hmm, very interesting box, sporting a very elaborate lithography for the vista (and perhaps older than anticipated, but I am far from being an expert). This is different to the vista I got in the book here.

What appears noteworthy, is that there is no name or marca, no company info stated on the cubierta or vista, neither on the bofeton. Only to be found on the papeleta. This is quite unusual, even for the beginning of the 20th century. A warranty seal is missing, instead some other seal is applied on the left side. Would you be able to show us pics of the underside of the box? Any more information, like marca and vitola being quoted on the sides of the box? Can you decipher what is written on the small seal printed in red, looking like a tax-seal (I read something like 'consumo interno'?).

Thanks for the interest. I'll take a closer look tomorrow, it's just very late here in New Zealand (1:20am). 

[samanderson]

Hi Fugu,

The name Llerandi Hnos does not appear anywhere on the box.

The seal on the left is doubled and reads "Impuesto Sobre Consumo Interno" and then "Prodcutos Nacionales" In between those two words it says "1 Peso 1" (I'm pretty sure it's 'Peso' but the 's' is hard to make out fully.

There are two main stickers applied. The first is the oval one shown below that spans the front opening.

The second is the large one that says "Eduardo VII." and wraps around the right-hand end and not other bottom. That sticker has "No. 13802" printed in small black writing on the bottom right corner. The large picture on the inside of the lid has the same size writing but says "No. 13800". Could 02 on the Eduardo VII. sticker be the vitola, perhaps?

Pics:

[Customsfan]

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