metro_habanos Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 @El Presidente , hey Rob tgif ! Anywho, I received these today from the shop and have what I think is a lot of mold. I know you say just wipe it off. My question is, and I assume it is perfectly fine but, can I use a brush, like a fine paint brush as to not tear the leaf? My second question is, there are 2 pic's, the last 2, are they the same type of mold or are they different? One appears to be more flat and spreading like water would and the other is a mound and growing up like a zit, I guess. I hope that make sense. I plan on aging these for a few years since they are from 2016. Thanks Prez and brothers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Use your hand and clear it off. Then smoke and enjoy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbackFan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, luv2fly said: Use your hand and clear it off. Then smoke and enjoy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metro_habanos Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Alrighty then. I will. Thanks guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc2001 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I usually use a soft microfiber cloth to gently wipe away the mold spots, but it can be any cloth or tissue. The cigars leaves are pretty resilient so a gentle wipe shouldn't do any kind of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizzlee Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wipe it off with fingers or a micro-fiber cloth as many have suggested, smoke as/when desired, and drive on with pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterey Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 On 12/17/2017 at 6:46 AM, BarryNY said: Have seen mold from LCDH....as ElPuro says....just wipe it off and you'll be fine... NEVER seen mold from a FOH box........ Then you haven't been paying attention! It was even on a cigar image on 24:24. Rob even noted it in the description! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfrizzy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Learned it from reading the posts on here. Never knew you could just wipe it off and be good to go afterwards. Good to know. Also nice pics showing what it looks like on its early stages. Luckily I have not succumbed to mold on any cigars yet (dammit just jinxed myself knock on wood). Hopefully it stays that way but if not atkeast I know what to do. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterey Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 14 hours ago, jtfrizzy said: Learned it from reading the posts on here. Never knew you could just wipe it off and be good to go afterwards. Good to know. Also nice pics showing what it looks like on its early stages. Luckily I have not succumbed to mold on any cigars yet (dammit just jinxed myself knock on wood). Hopefully it stays that way but if not atkeast I know what to do. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk light amount on the surface only. and it must be white. any other color or mold in the foot an you need to toss.. I only occasionally get mold on my Montecristo's. In perfect condition. I swear, mold loves Montecristos as much as I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc2001 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 22 hours ago, smfdff said: I plan on aging these for a few years since they are from 2016. This may be a bit off topic, but I must say those are very good cigars. I got hooked on these a few years ago when I was on a cruise and I picked up a few singles at a LCDH in one of the ports we stopped in. I smoked it on cabin balcony while we were docked one evening, just before dinner, and I was blown away by it. I Immediately made a note to myself to buy a box as soon as we got back home. Within a few weeks I had a box in my possession, and I'm glad I bought them. This is an unique cigar, it feels really elegant in the hand, and it is a little exotic with that pigtail cap. Length and girth are ideal IMPO for an aperitif or for an after dinner treat, and for such a skinny cigar it imparts complexity and flavor well beyond its dimensions with a mild/medium body. It makes an excellent pairing with a white wine, or mild cocktail, but it also holds its own with a cup of coffee. My box is dated JUN 15, and I really don't think they need much more aging. I haven't been able to keep my hands off them, they are smoking quite well. I really can't imagine they will get much better with extended aging. If you haven't tried them yet then make sure they get acclimated to a mid-60RH for a few weeks and then rip into it, see how you like it. Of course, more aging shouldn't hurt, but if you can enjoy them now then why wait? Enjoy! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CigarNerd Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Monterey said: and it must be white. any other color or mold in the foot an you need to toss.. How come white mold is good and any other colored mold is bad? What's the science behind this statement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookj1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Just send them to me and I’ll take care of it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Noble rot, I say.... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfrizzy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 light amount on the surface only. and it must be white. any other color or mold in the foot an you need to toss.. I only occasionally get mold on my Montecristo's. In perfect condition. I swear, mold loves Montecristos as much as I do!Ok cool. That makes sense anyways but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfrizzy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 How come white mold is good and any other colored mold is bad? What's the science behind this statement?Ok so white mold is white either because that's the mold form it is and will always stay white and in those cases most white mold is benign. Or mold is white because it is in the early stages and hasn't spored yet. Once it spores it: one, releases spores everywhere which will further make your mold problem worse and will completly destroy a humidor, cabinet etc if left unchecked. And two, the spores of colored molds are often toxic themselves and in addition when spores are released toxic gases are released as well (there's a word for those gases but I can't remember and am too lazy to Google). Either way, the toxicity of the mold depends on the type of mold it is but I'd imagine puffing on a toxic moldy stick could make you sick. I'm sure someone more knowledgeable on the topic then I could better expand on this topic and exactly what mold is bad and what is benign. I know with house hold mold the issue is with the black mold and that can cause respiratory issues and can even get absorbed into the body and could cause liver problems. Not sure the likely good of that mold on cigars though. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CigarNerd Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 But if "most white mold is benign", which in turn means some might be toxic, how can we say white mold is good when some forms of it are toxic and we don't have a clue how to distinguish between good and bad white mold? How do we know if we are confronted with white mold that stays white, or another form that would turn green in 1 week? Just wait another week for the fun of it? What if it would turn green after 2 weeks? I completely agree that the toxicity of mold depends on the type of mold, however I utterly disagree that color might be a good separator to identify the correct species. I'm very into this whole mold-cigar-thing and I'm in contact with some mold/fungus-experts. Identifying the right species is NEVER done by looking at the color of the mold. The 1st step in identifying the mold is a morphological analysis (looking through a microscope), and sometimes this is not enough because the morphology of 2 species is too simmilar. In those cases they have to run a molekular analysis, which in turn can also be very easy or very tricky. If it is easy and they can find the right match, the molekular analysis costs about 400,- EUR/stick. But if they have to run extensive molekular analysis, you end up with twice the price. Sounds like quite some effort to me, and we fellow smokers have a special gift to tell good and bad apart simply by looking at the color? Nope, not buying this. Having said that: I'm not a person that throws away sticks with mold on them. I wipe them off and smoke them, because mold is just a part of this hobby. At least you have the spores (which also could be toxic) on the cigars, and maybe you have a stick in your hands that was already full of mold but has been wiped away by the previous owner/dealer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer996 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 My recent Trinidad Vigia’s from FOH had mold on most sticks, wiped it off and into my tupperdore. No new mold has shown up since.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfrizzy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 But if "most white mold is benign", which in turn means some might be toxic, how can we say white mold is good when some forms of it are toxic and we don't have a clue how to distinguish between good and bad white mold? How do we know if we are confronted with white mold that stays white, or another form that would turn green in 1 week? Just wait another week for the fun of it? What if it would turn green after 2 weeks? I completely agree that the toxicity of mold depends on the type of mold, however I utterly disagree that color might be a good separator to identify the correct species. I'm very into this whole mold-cigar-thing and I'm in contact with some mold/fungus-experts. Identifying the right species is NEVER done by looking at the color of the mold. The 1st step in identifying the mold is a morphological analysis (looking through a microscope), and sometimes this is not enough because the morphology of 2 species is too simmilar. In those cases they have to run a molekular analysis, which in turn can also be very easy or very tricky. If it is easy and they can find the right match, the molekular analysis costs about 400,- EUR/stick. But if they have to run extensive molekular analysis, you end up with twice the price. Sounds like quite some effort to me, and we fellow smokers have a special gift to tell good and bad apart simply by looking at the color? Nope, not buying this. Having said that: I'm not a person that throws away sticks with mold on them. I wipe them off and smoke them, because mold is just a part of this hobby. At least you have the spores (which also could be toxic) on the cigars, and maybe you have a stick in your hands that was already full of mold but has been wiped away by the previous owner/dealer. All good points. Yeah idk all that much about mold, but that's the only way I could see why white mold might be alright. I guess its kinda a risk/reward/consequence type thing. Am I going to trash an entire collection for the very low probability that some toxic white mold is out there. Hell no. Im gonna weigh the odds on that one and say the high probability says it'll be alright. The issue with sending a sample out to be analyzed to ID the mold is it seems a little pricey even for the cheaper/easier process as $400 is probably right about the same price as one probably paid for those cigars (+/- a few $100). And, heaven forbid it is not able to be identified in the simple process and it has to go further through a mass spectrometer or some other mean to ID it. Then that $400 probably just turned into $4,000 or something (idk how much it would actually cost just throwing a number out there) and Id imagine alot of people would have a slight problem paying that to analyze the mold on one's cigars, but then again some people have the collection that warrants it and the capabilities that its no big deal to fork out the kinda money so idk. I think the whole thing with color really comes down to the fact that it's a simple way to rule out alot of the bad by avoiding the cost that is associated with actually analyzing the mold. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CigarNerd Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, jtfrizzy said: I think the whole thing with color really comes down to the fact that it's a simple way to rule out alot of the bad by avoiding the cost that is associated with actually analyzing the mold. my 2 cents: The thing with color is the same like with plume: it's a myth to soothe our minds. It's a story which gained truth by simple repetition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monterey Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 white mold will not become green mold. It isn't a rainbow. It is a different type of mold. Like mold on cheese, cut it off and enjoy. While black mold can do some serious damage. Don't need to overthink things. Cigars are meant to relax you, this isn't science class. Cigarnerd, your name fits you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Great read if you have not already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 5 hours ago, dozer996 said: No new mold has shown up since. This. Its not like Herpes. It does not spread. If the humidor conditions are right, the issue will not come back. Mold spores are everywhere. Growth will appear only if the conditions are right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv2fly Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 20 hours ago, CigarNerd said: How come white mold is good and any other colored mold is bad? No mold is "good". Just wipe it off and move on. Keep the humidor at the right conditions and no worries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartolomeo Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I use a dry old washcloth and wipe along the roll of the wrapper, voila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I use my fingers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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