ianperrymccarthy Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Thanks for the hard legwork here - such an excellent resource and reference point. It's that PL that really got me. You look at that, totally convinced it is glorious crystals, and realize everything you know is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Great reading from everyone. Thanks guys! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkz Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Thanks for sharing these interesting results guys! I got plenty of plume on these... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzArd Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 3 hours ago, mkz said: Thanks for sharing these interesting results guys! I got plenty of plume on these... ASPERGILLUS!! The best kind of "plume"!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arctic Dude Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Ahhhhhh science.....crushing belief for centuries! Great job with this Rob and Company...wonderful to see the time and energy go into getting the facts out there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messa Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Thanks Rob. As you say the sample size is too small to provide statistical significance, but I can't find any other references online to any real investigation into the existence of plume on cigars - so that means you are now the leading authority ! Look forward to further tests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Fascinating! I pity the next guy who will ask "Hey guys look at these cigars, is it mold or plume (as the vendor argues)" on this forum… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smallclub Posted July 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2017 I can see the next trend: Hey guys do you think it's Candida Parapsilosis or Aspergillus? Dude, that's Penicillium ascomycetous! You're joking that's obviously Wallemia sebi! 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, Smallclub said: I can see the next trend: Hey guys do you think it's Candida Parapsilosis or Aspergillus? Dude, that's Penicillium ascomycetous! You're joking that's obviously Wallemia sebi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsled Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Great work! Always believed twas plume on my cigars. Seems they were moldy. Odd how it would only be one or two out of a whole box though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBS Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Simply fantastic work, gentlemen. My sincere thanks. The fact that you carefully verified what I've always believed to be true gives me some satisfaction..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeremy Festa Posted July 13, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, BBS said: Simply fantastic work, gentlemen. My sincere thanks. The fact that you carefully verified what I've always believed to be true gives me some satisfaction..... Don't speak too soon bro. It's not over yet. Science does not prove or disprove a single thing. It simply supports or does not support any given hypothesis or theory. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I suppose the one question unanswered for me is... "who cares what it is, does it taste better or mark the sign of a properly aged cigar"? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkz Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, luvdunhill said: I suppose the one question unanswered for me is... "who cares what it is, does it taste better or mark the sign of a properly aged cigar"? Thoughts? Personally I think mold is a sign of cigars stored in high RH (over 70). My own aged stock has always been in 64-67 RH and shows no signs of mold. This off course doesn't mean I know jack about aging and mold. The moldy ones I got was inherited from old-school over 70 propyleneglycol storage. What is properly aged? I have no idea. I just know what I like, and taste varies as much as there is cigar smokers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Properly aged means to me "maximizing consistent growth in enjoyment". Yeah, whatever that means. Could mold expedite this process? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironpeddler Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Another log on the fire of the mold/plume debate. In my time smoking cigars, I've only come across two examples that could remotely been considered plume that I have physically touched. On one of them, I took a thin point Xacto blade and a jeweler's loupe and knocked off a few crystals that were spaced throughout the cigar...no concentrated areas of whatever this was anywhere on the cigar. There was very little in the way of a mark on the wrapper once we scraped a few off. We had no microscope to further view this crystalline entity. They were sort of a amber-ish white in color...and to me, they reminded me of a brown sugar crystal...but super tiny....and not white-white by any means. This was over 20 years ago and the cigars were about 20+yo at that time...so we're talking criollo/corojo tobacco. Since then, all I've ever seen was mold....and I have been in a few private high end humidors in my day both here in the US and abroad. This will get VERY interesting as the sample size grows over time. To those of us in the US, we should also look to find non-Cuban cigars for further testing if said cigar is touted to have plume. It makes no difference where the tobacco originates from...if it's mold, it's mold. If it's plume...let's verify it's composition. Great start fellas...thank you for doing this for the entire cigar community at large. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomasdenaro Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Well Done Rob, Greg and Jeremy. great report. thank you for your efforts on compiling this study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99call Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Many thanks to all involved in putting this together this invaluable resource. Hats off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Brilliant stuff! One question I do have is is there any causation between certain types of mould we see and where it comes from. Ie does a certain type of structure, say spotty, point towards the mould being fecal in origin or vegetative etc It would help to know if a certain cigar has been part of a journey from a roller who likes to pick his arse and continue rolling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugu Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Gents could you please answer this in PM to the Captain. I for one am NOT interested to learn about things to this detail. Thank you! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scap99 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Fugu said: Gents could you please answer this in PM to the Captain. I for one am NOT interested to learn about things to this detail. Thank you! I think you're right, I'd rather not know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messa Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Don't speak too soon bro. It's not over yet. Science does not prove or disprove a single thing. It simply supports or does not support any given hypothesis or theory. Hypothesis are falsifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Festa Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, messa said: Hypothesis are falsifiable. *Hypotheses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeremy Festa said: *Hypotheses Thanks professor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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