Cigar names: singular vs. plural... driving me bananas!

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, planetary said:

The difference between "Marcos" and "coronas" is that the former is a proper noun, and the latter is the plural form of the Spanish word "corona."  Using "corona" in a sentence makes sense, and as @SirVantes just pointed out, is even used by HSA itself, inconsistently.

Even if one were to agree with the claim that cigar names are proper nouns, I maintain that that they are plural because they are rooted as being descriptors for box contents.  That's why they are most often plural forms of words which have singular forms. Not always, but often.  Therefore (I continue to claim), it makes sense to refer to singular forms, when it's natural to do so.

Coronas may be the plural form of the Spanish word corona but once it becomes the name of a cigar, it necesarily becomes a proper noun when used as such. What if I were to name my child "Coronas"? The same would apply. His or her name is not Corona--it's Coronas. Its similarity to the plural form of the Spanish word corona is absolutely irrelevant. It is not the same word. One is a plural noun and the other is a proper noun. 

There may be some truth to the original origin of plural-appearing names as being box content descriptors, but the fact that there are so many singular names that existed even pre-Rev just negates that, even if it were true a very long time ago. If they were all plural I would tend to agree. But the numerous, clearly singular names for me rules out the possibility of the plural-appearing names being box content descriptors. 

4 hours ago, SirVantes said:

I can live with there being no absolute consistency.

That is not "Corona"--it is the vitola "Half Corona" and the vitola "Gran Corona". The lone word "Corona", by itself, has never been used in official Cuban cigar lexicon, and certainly not when describing a single cigar of the "Coronas" vitola.

[SirVantes]

If only we could still find/afford to smoke this one. We'd be safe either way.

[planetary]

1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said:

What if I were to name my child "Coronas"?

My friend - before you filled out the birth certificate, we would have an intervention.

We must save ourselves from the idiots.  Like the people at Kia who named one of their cars the Spectra.  Seriously?  Or the dunderheads who name sports teams singular nouns, like the Utah Jazz or Miami Heat.  Morons!

To say nothing about the Maple Leafs.  For the love of all that's good and holy -- we need to keep some people away from words.

[Fugu]

18 hours ago, PigFish said:

Coronas is to Partagas as Corona is to Partaga. Any one here enjoy a Partaga today?

-tP

No, just smoking a Mareva from La Corona.....

[Fugu]

Side note - don't give too much credit to what's being mentioned on the HSA-website. Most cigar names and shape names are originating far back from times long before the revolution....

[NSXCIGAR]

46 minutes ago, planetary said:

My friend - before you filled out the birth certificate, we would have an intervention.

We must save ourselves from the idiots.  Like the people at Kia who named one of their cars the Spectra.  Seriously?  Or the dunderheads who name sports teams singular nouns, like the Utah Jazz or Miami Heat.  Morons!

To say nothing about the Maple Leafs.  For the love of all that's good and holy -- we need to keep some people away from words.

Now all that I can agree with!

1 hour ago, SirVantes said:

If only we could still find/afford to smoke this one. We'd be safe either way.

Nope--this cigar is actually not named. The cigar is only known by the humidor name, which is "Cubatabaco 25 Aniversario". The "Corona" descriptor is coming entirely from Alex @ CCW. According to MRN, he had to physically compare the cigar to a Monte 3 to confirm for himself that these are of the Coronas vitola. Nowhere does MRN refer to this cigar as a "Corona" but in fact does use the proper vitola name "Coronas" in classifying it. 

2 minutes ago, Fugu said:

Side note - don't give too much credit to what's being mentioned on the HSA-website. Most cigar names and shape names are originating far back from times long before the revolution....

Absolutely correct. The Habanos online catalog is just one source of info, and IMO a secondary one at that. Packaging should always be considered a primary source with its consistency over time taken into consideration. Alex @ CCW has overruled the online catalog on occasion, specifically in the case of the Monte Especiales No. 2, which the online catalog lists as "Especial No. 2".

[Leopolis Semper Fidelis]

On 5/8/2017 at 8:40 AM, garbandz said:

Equadorian.............currently the most misused descriptor in the cigar world.

Ask the ambassador of Ecuador if he is "Ecuadorian."

 

 

 

Agreed - and the number of times I have come across supposedly well-educated people spelling that country as Equador makes this pedant wince.  The Ecuadorian ambassador would refer to himself as el embajador ecuatoriano [note the t] in his language.