HABANOS s.a: EDICION LIMITADA 2017 NEWS

[Sean3]

2 hours ago, BuzzArd said:

Was thinking the same....  The Punch would work out for me, but above 50RG I'm not sure I'll spring for them....

We'll se of course...

Yeah, 50 is about as big as I normally like to go with pyramids/beli's being exceptions.  I also made an exception for the Upmann Mag 56, too damn good not to!

[JohnS]

19 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

It's always possible. But the Habanos Specialist releases have never gone away and neither have the LCDH releases since 2006. I think at worst production of the HS Connie A will be reduced but not eliminated. The Connie A has had far more production than the Torreon and the Party Maduro, for example. I could easily see the Connie A reduced to a limited run every year or two similar to the Torreon and the Connie B being as available as the Connie A is and most of the LCDH releases are. You have to admit, production on the Connie A has been quite high in general. Reducing it and focusing on the Connie B is a real possibility.

Exactly. And it's not a conclusion I want to come to, but releasing a 52 g x 140 mm and 54 rg x 150 mm cigar with most probably a similar blend is like a non-sequitur statement to me.

[NSXCIGAR]

22 minutes ago, JohnS said:

Exactly. And it's not a conclusion I want to come to, but I releasing a 52 g x 140 mm and 54 rg x 150 mm cigar with most probably a similar blend is like a non-sequitur statement to me.

HSA's enitre operating philosophy is non-sequitur. For every one logical thing they do there's ten things they do that aren't. How many Marevas does RyJ need?

[JohnS]

25 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

HSA's enitre operating philosophy is non-sequitur. For every one logical thing they do there's ten things they do that aren't. How many Marevas does RyJ need?

You're not wrong. Club Kings anyone?  

[JC67]

The Punch size interests me.

[in0gravity]

1 hour ago, Lant63 said:

All of the LCDH will be winners just based on track record. I'm excited to see the Trinidad line expand with it. I'll probably avoid the mag54 now in anticipation of the Connie B. Hopefully the new Monte aren't an expansion of the open line. I'll take a couple boxes of the SWGR.


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The Montecristos will be a new linie within the brand called Montecristo 1935 or linea 1935 not entirely sure.

I am also excited about the Trinidad. Interestingly, it has the same measurements as the Cohiba 1966

regards

Lars

[in0gravity]

4 hours ago, JohnS said:

What has been the thinking behind these, that they are available for a period of 5 years? Well, the Ramon Allones Superiores is still going strong (thankfully), and most of these are currently available, no?

 

 

 

Hey John,

I slightly disagree with your notion that most of the LCH Releases are not available. Apart from the La Gloria Inmensos all of the above (apart from the two other La Glorias as they are not released yet and the HdM, from what I have seen, are only available in Switzerland at the moment) are available even with 2016 box codes.

regards

Lars

 

[JohnS]

Just now, in0gravity said:

Hey John,

I slightly disagree with your notion that most of the LCH Releases are not available. Apart from the La Gloria Inmensos all of the above (apart from the two other La Glorias as they are not released yet and the HdM, from what I have seen, are only available in Switzerland at the moment) are available even with 2016 box codes.

regards

Lars

 

Sorry Lars if wasn't more clear in my post. What I meant to assert is that yes, the LCDH releases are available, which is what this H.Upmann Connossieur B will be. I'm worried that the Habanos Specialist release, the H.Upmann Connossieur A will become unavailable forcing us all to go with the larger ring gauge 54 x 150mm Connossieur B in the future. We shall see if this situation comes about.

[NSXCIGAR]

24 minutes ago, JC67 said:

The Punch size interests me.

+1

Also happy to see any expansion in the QdO lineup, albeit 50+ RG. I'll probably bite on the short Robusto Gourmet. Hoping they'll be sporting the new QdO bands as well.

[El Presidente]

8 hours ago, rckymtn22 said:

The ones under 50rg gauge interest me depending on price.

[in0gravity]

9 minutes ago, JohnS said:

Sorry Lars if wasn't more clear in my post. What I meant to assert is that yes, the LCDH releases are available, which is what this H.Upmann Connossieur B will be. I'm worried that the Habanos Specialist release, the H.Upmann Connossieur A will become unavailable forcing us all to go with the larger ring gauge 54 x 150mm Connossieur B in the future. We shall see if this situation comes about.

Ok clear. John.

Why exactly do think the Connie A will become unavailable? Because it is a Habanos Specialist release? My understanding is that Habanos Specialist Releases are also available at LCDHs at least that's the case here in Germany.

And with regards to the availability of the SCdlH Torreon and Partagas Maduro No. 1 i believe it has to do with the general shortage of tobacco and not because of which release it is. But I could be wrong on this.

 

regards

Lars

 

[SticksAndSticks]

Those RyJ Petit Royales and QDO Gourmet are really exciting. Any chance they actually show up in 2017?

[JohnS]

9 minutes ago, in0gravity said:

Ok clear. John.

Why exactly do think the Connie A will become unavailable? Because it is a Habanos Specialist release? My understanding is that Habanos Specialist Releases are also available at LCDHs at least that's the case here in Germany.

And with regards to the availability of the SCdlH Torreon and Partagas Maduro No. 1 i believe it has to do with the general shortage of tobacco and not because of which release it is. But I could be wrong on this.

regards

Lars

Sure, I could be wrong on this too. It may be that for a little while Habanos S.A will have the Connossieur A and Connossieur B available, they may watch the market on these, and then concentrate their efforts on one of these releases, which would be easy to justify if they are short of leaf, for example. Ultimately, I just can't understand why we require two H.Upmann releases that will be practically the same size and probably the same blend.

[in0gravity]

17 minutes ago, JohnS said:

Sure, I could be wrong on this too. It may be that for a little while Habanos S.A will have the Connossieur A and Connossieur B available, they may watch the market on these, and then concentrate their efforts on one of these releases, which would be easy to justify if they are short of leaf, for example. Ultimately, I just can't understand why we require two H.Upmann releases that will be practically the same size and probably the same blend.

Your forgetting the Connoiseur (or Connossieur) No. 1. Maybe they want a Connoiseur Linie within the Upmann brand. Look at the "newer" Linies within the various Brands:

Cohiba Maduro 5 = 3 cigars

Cohiba Behike = 3 cigars

Monte Edmundo = 3 cigars

HdM Epicure = 3 cigars (not counting the EL, LCDH or Travel Retail Releases)

Upmann Magnum = now 3 cigars

Partagas Serie D = 3 cigars (again not counting the various ELs)

[JohnS]

I hope so. We'll see.

[DBNInc]

*Sigh*

 

I'd better pick up another Cooler.

[Fugu]

Pretty uninspiring across the board.

8 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Also happy to see any expansion in the QdO lineup, albeit 50+ RG. I'll probably bite on the short Robusto Gourmet. Hoping they'll be sporting the new QdO bands as well.

And that's actually the biggest joke for me. Short and fatty in the QdO line? What comes next, a long parejo for Cuaba? Most regionals where hard to fathom already.

I had really been looking forward to the re-extension of the marca.... Still unbelievable, killing all the classic formats, the Ninfas, the Corona Grande and the Julieta. Now coming back with such a garbage....?, I am really pissed, to put it explicitly. I wonder France didn't intervene with that rubbish.... But I frustratedly think we don't have to blame HSA., we have to blame the buyers resp. the non-buyers.... It is how it is and how "we" deserve it. And as for the bands..... ok, we don't need another debate on that one.

[Fugu]

8 hours ago, JohnS said:

Ultimately, I just can't understand why we require two H.Upmann releases that will be practically the same size and probably the same blend.

Add the Mag 54 amputee to that notion.

John, actually agree with Lars. The Habanos Specialist stuff is - theoretically - more widely available (distributed) than the LCDH releases. And you cannot always deduct from what is available in the Asia Pacific region onto the general situation of what's actually being produced. E.g. Torreon - widely available in Europe, there has never been a real shortage so far (same holding for the Noellas). Also all this recurring talk about Sir Winnies - true, difficult to find a good quality box atm, but wide general availability in the European market. I would have been able to buy >20 boxes from different dealers in the past year had I wished so. It seems they are just not being imported by PCC (?). Same holding for some other stuff, e.g. it often strikes me, I hardly ever see a RASS 50 SLB (and only occasionally a Punch Punch 50s) on Rob's offerings, just 25ers. Are only dress boxes being imported by PCC? Or intentionally not being offered here?

 

As for the Connie B, I reckon the list is just a little imprecise. That will most probably be a release in the same line as the A, i.e. also a Habanos Specialist offering. The listing seems just not to differentiate between the two if you ask me. But I agree, it won't need a Connie B for me as well!

[ChanceSchmerr]

Someone wake me up when a new release comes out at 46 RG or under.  Otherwise I'll save my coin until then, or until an intriguing RE comes out at less than $20 a stick (could be an equally long wait LOL)

[rckymtn22]

1 hour ago, ChanceSchmerr said:

Someone wake me up when a new release comes out at 46 RG or under.  Otherwise I'll save my coin until then, or until an intriguing RE comes out at less than $20 a stick (could be an equally long wait LOL)

You could be asleep for quite awhile!

[NSXCIGAR]

5 hours ago, Fugu said:

...And that's actually the biggest joke for me. Short and fatty in the QdO line? What comes next, a long parejo for Cuaba? Most regionals where hard to fathom already... 

I'm not happy about it either, but 50 is the smallest we're getting so again, we must take what HSA gives us. And we sure are taking it--right up the behind. Robustos are fairly popular in France and what a missed opportunity to introduce a standard Robusto or a Hermosos No 4 into the lineup. Don't tell me they wouldn't be better received than a Short Robusto. But no, they can't just give us a standard vitola. It's either going to be fat, short, or both. Such is HSA these days. HSA just seems to have an aversion to classic vitolas in recent years. I think they fail to recognize that classic vitolas became popular for a reason--150 years of consumer choice.`The Robusto and Hermosos No 4 will always be desired. I think much of the reason the large RGs are as popular as they are is that they are often they can be very good and it's simply a matter of chasing quality.

And I do agree John probably has little to worry about, although I always worry the Specialist releases will be cut down to Torreon and Maduro No 1 levels. Connie A has had very high production relative to the others, but again, HSA has never shied away from multiple similar vitolas in lineups. The Upmann example you gave is a valid one.

[JohnS]

I am looking forward to the Punch 48, a Hermosos No.3 at 48 rg x 140 mm. These are the type of dimensions I don't mind (or I can live with), but give me a Punch 42 (i.e. 42 rg x 155 mm, a coronas grandes) and I would be enraptured at the thought.  

5 hours ago, Hutch said:

While I agree, it hasn't seemed to influenced their sticking with all three BHKs.

So true. The difference here, for me, is two-fold. One, a lot of marcas with cigars that have ring gauges that are similar or close have at least some variation in their length. The BHK line differs in length by around an inch, right? The Connossieur A and Connossieur B will vary by 2/64of an inch in ring gauge and 10 mm in length (less than 1/2 an inch!). I'm shaking my head at the thought of this as I write it!

Secondly, for me, Cohiba stands out as an anomaly in relation to other Habanos marcas simply for the fact that no Cohiba regular production release has been deleted since the Cohiba Coronas in 1992. And this is quite an irony if you compare the number of deletions across other marcas just in the last 10 years!  

6 hours ago, Fugu said:

Pretty uninspiring across the board.

And that's actually the biggest joke for me. Short and fatty in the QdO line? What comes next, a long parejo for Cuaba? Most regionals where hard to fathom already.

A long parejo for Cuaba? I was in stitches for a while this morning, Foo!  Was not the idea behind Cuaba to brand it as a premium marca and do so by releasing it with the more 'prestigious' perfecto vitolas (because they are more difficult to roll)? (That is) Too funny my friend!

[sikfrayme]

18 hours ago, Bohn007 said:

I would assume that we will see boxes in about a year if we are lucky. Habanos S.A. Has done a great job of delivering consistently late what was promised. Maybe they will just wait to first deliver all of what was promised for 2016? Why change a successful business model. 

True, it will probably be 15 months till we see them surface, if we're lucky.  Then again still looking forward to the 2016 releases first!!  I am here still patiently waiting to get a box of Sir Winnies.

[Fugu]

17 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Don't tell me they wouldn't be better received than a Short Robusto. But no, they can't just give us a standard vitola. It's either going to be fat, short, or both. Such is HSA these days. HSA just seems to have an aversion to classic vitolas in recent years. I think they fail to recognize that classic vitolas became popular for a reason--150 years of consumer choice.

Exactly, you are taking the words out of my mouth, NSX! Robusto, you say - then HSA shall give us a Robusto and not cut off 14 mm while adding a surcharge for that... The inflationary trend of these short phallic formats appears more and more to me like they are moving to working with the scraps. We are getting laid, and that at a dramatically accelerating rate. Folks want shorter smokes? - hell, why not just grab a small cigar then, it's all there (had been...)!! - get a Marevas, Minutos, Coronitas, Franciscanos (sigh), Perlas & Co. Doesn't need a bragging steamer to provide a satisfying short smoking experience. We are soon losing the sophistication of the smaller smokes.

For all I care, HSA may well do it to serve a clientele, fine. But not each and every new release and not in each and every marca. For me, in particular Quai d'Orsay has always lived on the evolution in its cigars. The medium-light blend lets me clearly sense and appreciate the changes during the course of smoking. How'd they achieve that with those new formats?

[Fugu]

...but frustrated for sure...