Wineadors Temp Control vs. Humidity

[SaintMickey®]

I just bought one of these to store 6 or so boxes in at the office. I like it a lot so far. Temperature seems to be spot on although the humidity is still "off" a bit when comparing my OasisXL vs. my electronic gauge...not sure why that is.

I seem to see a direct correlation between when the "fridge" is running and lowering/maintaining temperature and the humidity. If I see the humidity up a bit it's almost because the compressor hasn't kicked in to lower/maintain temp. Once it kicks in the humidity goes back to spot on.  What's the trick here? Or will it be constantly adjusting itself?

I'm currently attempting 62/62.

Also, do most of you keep a humidifier "running" in your wineador/coolador all the time?

Anyone have a NewAir?

 

 

[rxavier1979]

I just ordered a NewAir CC-300 and it should be in this Friday. I also ordered 2 lbs of heartfelt 65 beads for it. I would guess that the RH would/should be dynamic based on the temp inside the cooler. Also I've heard to make sure your ambient temperature isn't too far off from the internal cooler temp or you could have condensation issues. 

Did you season the wood in the humi before starting the cooling cycles?  I'll know more after this weekend when I get it all set up. We can sync up then.

[SaintMickey®]

I just ordered a NewAir CC-300 and it should be in this Friday. I also ordered 2 lbs of heartfelt 65 beads for it. I would guess that the RH would/should be dynamic based on the temp inside the cooler. Also I've heard to make sure your ambient temperature isn't too far off from the internal cooler temp or you could have condensation issues. 

Did you season the wood in the humi before starting the cooling cycles?  I'll know more after this weekend when I get it all set up. We can sync up then.

I didn't season the cedar too long but my humidity is higher than I want so it's not as though it's stealing the moisture. I do not plan on putting any sticks on the cedar directly and will store in boxes. This was really to keep cigars cool once Atlanta heat comes back...I don't want to have the house a/c cranking just for the cigars.

I know the Oasis works perfectly because my cigars have been perfect for 10 years in this old copper lined thing...

I am thinking it's due to how tight the seal is on things like this and the Tupperware folks use? I look forward to hearing your update.

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[SaintMickey®]

Here are some photos for ref....

You can see temperature is spot on. Also the humidity is confirmed. The Oasis hasn't even had to turn on. The only thing I can think of is the water in the Oasis is enough even without fan to keep humidity at 68 even without the fan.

Im going to pull the Oasis after work and watch it. It has to be that the seal of the unit is just so darn tight.

As expected the gauge that came with has stayed at or around 60 and can not be relied upon.

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[Sean3]

1 hour ago, saintmickey said:

I didn't season the cedar too long but my humidity is higher than I want so it's not as though it's stealing the moisture. I do not plan on putting any sticks on the cedar directly and will store in boxes. This was really to keep cigars cool once Atlanta heat comes back...I don't want to have the house a/c cranking just for the cigars.

I know the Oasis works perfectly because my cigars have been perfect for 10 years in this old copper lined thing...

I am thinking it's due to how tight the seal is on things like this and the Tupperware folks use? I look forward to hearing your update.

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Not your typical humi...love it.

[rxavier1979]

Ok, so I just got my NewAir CC-300 in on Friday. I plugged it in after a few hours of sitting upright, per instructions.  The wood included in the unit has a really nice smell but it fresh so I started the seasoning process.  My plan is to have the NewAir operating normally at about 66F and 65RH. During our Houston, Texas inferno months of July/Aug, I may bring the temp up to 70-72F at 65RH since the house struggles to maintain 76-78F at times during the day.

Right now I am seasoning the wood in the cooler so I have the temp set to 70F and I have some HF 65% beads saturated, sponges soaked with distilled water sitting in tupperware dishes and a couple of containers of dist water throughout the unit so the fresh wood can soak up all the moisture it needs.

The cooler started off with 49% humi at 70F when I started this process and slowly but surely over the weekend has gradually climbed to 70F at 72RH. I plan to let it go and keep re-soaking the sponges and adding water to the beads until it hits maybe 78-80RH before I start removing the sponges and dist water containers.  I'll then set the temp down to 66F and throw in the rest of my HF beads in there(unsaturated) to balance out and soak up any excess moisture in the air and/or the original beads and see where the RH starts stabilizing at.  Once there, I'll adjust accordingly until I'm at my 66F/65RH balance.

Then...  I'll start putting in boxes, maybe one shelf at a time per day to monitor RH.  My boxes are currently in a coolidor that's holding at 72F/64RH, so there might be a little bit of an adjustment period when I make the move.  I'll start with the cheapies first to make sure I've got things right.

[Westside Threat]

I have two Whynters and Heartfelt beads in both.  The RH is 65% spot on in both units and doesn't fluctuate much.  

[Dave001]

heres my 2 cents on this I have 4 new air cc-300 and 2 cc-100 for the past few years I have always left the fan running tried to do a lot of experimentation and I noticed over a 12 month period (depending where I put the coolers) I get a 10 degree change in temp and 4% change in RH I like keeping my smokes at 68-71F and 58-61RH, my RH always stays constant although the temp change happens I cannot do anything about it I use 2 lbs of HF beads (65%) for the cc-300 and 1 pound for the cc-100 plus I usually throw about 8 boveda 65's in the 300 and 4 in the 100, now this is over 2 plus years and I never had to change the boveda bag or spray the beads for about 2 years I know everyone is different of course its just my 2 cents but my smokes are best at 71F 58-61RH

[BarryNY]

37 minutes ago, rxavier1979 said:

Ok, so I just got my NewAir CC-300 in on Friday. I plugged it in after a few hours of sitting upright, per instructions.  The wood included in the unit has a really nice smell but it fresh so I started the seasoning process.  My plan is to have the NewAir operating normally at about 66F and 65RH. During our Houston, Texas inferno months of July/Aug, I may bring the temp up to 70-72F at 65RH since the house struggles to maintain 76-78F at times during the day.

I'll bet those shelves and trays will be coming out before you know it - you'll realize they're taking up way too much valuable storage space........

[SaintMickey®]

Mine has settled down and the humidity reading on the Oasis and the electronic temp/humidity gauge match 80% of the time. When they don't the Oasis is 4-5 % higher.

I am shooting for 64/64.

I just got a third temp/humidity unit from Amazon to figure out which is off when they don't match. At this point I think the Oasis is reading high/incorrect.

In regards to the temperature is has been perfect and spot on.

The gauge that came with it as expected has not moved more than a percent but even that might be my mind playing tricks on me from staring at it .



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[rxavier1979]

46 minutes ago, BarryNY said:

I'll bet those shelves and trays will be coming out before you know it - you'll realize they're taking up way too much valuable storage space........

You know I was already having those thoughts Barry.  LOL

I figured the 2 drawers would be the first to go as I usually keep singles in my desktop humi or in spare cedar boxes.

I also thought that I should've bought two since I probably won't see this black friday price before I need one again.  Thinking I could just stack one on top of this one.

[SaintMickey®]

Those shelves are the only thing that keep us from saying we keep our Habanos in a "small fridge".


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[JohnInCleveland]

I stopped plugging mine in bc I found it consistently stayed around 65-68 degrees without me running it and it seemed pointless, but I live in Ohio and keep my house at a fairly consistent 68.  I was running it for a while, but it seemed sort of a waste of electricity.  I've been using Boveda's in there and beads in my other devices, only bc I have a surplus of Boveda's I need to go through.  May plug it back in during the summer.

 

I echo the other sentiment regarding the shelves, they take a buttload of space.  You'll be down to 1 or 2 in no time. 

[SaintMickey®]

Just snapped photo got mine to 64/64. Wasn't sure it was going to cooperate. Humidity was all over the map first week (65-74). Luckily I was able to keep it cool.

Definitely easier (obviously) when full of boxes.




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[SaintMickey®]

13 minutes ago, JohnInCleveland said:

I stopped plugging mine in bc I found it consistently stayed around 65-68 degrees without me running it and it seemed pointless, but I live in Ohio and keep my house at a fairly consistent 68.  I was running it for a while, but it seemed sort of a waste of electricity.  I've been using Boveda's in there and beads in my other devices, only bc I have a surplus of Boveda's I need to go through.  May plug it back in during the summer.

 

I echo the other sentiment regarding the shelves, they take a buttload of space.  You'll be down to 1 or 2 in no time. 

Mine isn't running too much either especially now in the winter...but I like that it turns on 8-10 times a day and runs the fan to circulate the air.

BUT wait till HotLanta Summer!!! Only by luck I've never had beetles in 20 years...going to try and continue that trend! I should have been playing Powerball because there have been times Oy Vey my house was hot when we were out of town.

[BarryNY]

2 hours ago, rxavier1979 said:

You know I was already having those thoughts Barry.  LOL

I figured the 2 drawers would be the first to go as I usually keep singles in my desktop humi or in spare cedar boxes.

I also thought that I should've bought two since I probably won't see this black friday price before I need one again.  Thinking I could just stack one on top of this one.

yes - you could stack.  OK - so the Newair CC-300 is no different than the Newair-281E except for 2 things:

1. the cedar shelving/trays - which you realize you don't need anything more than 1 or maybe 2 shelves

2. the CC-300 has a temp range of 54-74F while the 281E is 54-66F

3. the CC-300 is $315 shipped and the 281E at $156 shipped both from air-n-water

4. it's a no brainer to me if you are considering more storage - get the 281E and put some of those shelves in it from the CC-300 for 1/2 price!  I have two 281Es and the steel shelves that come with it are all out except for one....

[Westside Threat]

On average, once you remove all but one or two shelves, how many boxes (or cigars) are you guys able to get into each unit?

[BarryNY]

good bet 20-25 boxes for $156 airtight with cooling - how can you beat this?

[Dave001]

westside it varies quite a bit 10 boxes 50 cabs tend to take up less and more space each of my coolers has a different amount but on avg id say with no drawers and just 1 shelf for the cc-300 about 14-19 like I said depending on sizes of the boxes cc-100 between 5 and 8 with some good tetris moves lol

only buy the coolers when air n water has like 30-50% off!! then it pays to not even bother with wineadors that's what I did back in 2014, of course if you need it now barry is correct the wineador really is great for the price

[BarryNY]

air-n-water is 40% off now - that's the $156 price shipped USA.

i bought my first 3 months ago and paid $230 and thought i had a great deal...i bought my second for $156 even though i really didn't need it!

[Dave001]

lol barry this is exactly what I did kept buying more and more but you know what eventually you will be glad you did ! cause we both know you will be running out of space soon enough

[SaintMickey®]

I just took out the shelves on the cc-100 and I can easily get 12.  Its deceiving but it is 2 boxes deep and about 14" on the inside so...6 high with some room to breathe.

Also that means no room for the OasisXL...and SLBs will put a wrench in the works for sure.

[BarryNY]

you know what Roy Scheider said:

 

 

[Dave001]

mickey sweet!! you got 12 in there impressive much better at playing tetris that I am LOL

and roy was absolutely right

[VipermanGT2]

Keep an eye on your coolers. The issue is this. And I went through a long, head scratching process to figure it out, was that the temp guage for the unit is right next to the cooling fan. This results in having to set the temp of the unit way lower than desired temperature to actually achieve the desired temp. What this THEN results in, is a cooling unit that runs much cooler than the ambient temp inside the cooler in order to keep the cooler at the desired temperature...depending on outside ambient temps. My fix was to accept a slightly higher temperature for my cigars inside the cooler around 65 degrees. The issues is that if you have your cooler in a 70 degree house and try to get the ambient temp of the cooler down to 63-64, the actual cooling unit will have to be set at and run cooler than the desired temp. Condensation will form on the very cold thermoelectric cooling fins and suck the humidity out of the air. The options are to raise the temp a little until condensation stops, OR put your unit in a colder outside ambient place/room. The other option is active humidification that uses the condensation collected from the cooling fins to recycle back into the air. 

This is what happened to me. I have the larger 300 count one. I love it now that I can run it in the basement and the outside ambient temp is much cooler. I don't have any of these issues anymore. 

If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer. 

Smoke on!