Suspect Montecristo Edmondos

[Dude]

On Wednesday, November 02, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Williamos said:

Thanks everyone.

Like I wrote originally, the box checked out on the Habanos website. Date stamp, cedar inserts, overall cigar appearance, pack and roll - they all look great. And the vendor will stand by the box too so I'm not accusing them of slight of hand.

I was just working backwards from smoking one. It was like thin air. Imagine pouring a single malt whisky that tasted like water and you get the picture. I've had great cigars and bad cigars but never one as non descript from start to finish that made me think "this can't be real."

I'll lay them down for a year and see if there's any improvement.

Thanks for the great advice everyone. I appreciate it.


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Having to lay down our smokes is one of the most frustrating parts of this crazy hobby. For the money we shell out, it's a lot to ask to have to wait a year and hope the product improves. Are we all nuts or what? 

[Williamos]

Let me know if your box from a recent 24:24, like mine, is SOM, DIC 15. I just received mine this week and smoked one right off the truck. Sorry folks but it was outstanding :-)

Box code and date in initial post. Happy you had a better experience


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[SCgarman]

10 hours ago, Dude said:

Having to lay down our smokes is one of the most frustrating parts of this crazy hobby. For the money we shell out, it's a lot to ask to have to wait a year and hope the product improves. Are we all nuts or what? 

As I previously mentioned, time will not improve or cure bland, flavorless tobacco. An aged turd is STILL a turd. Strong, full flavored cigars become more rounded and refined with age. If the OP's sticks are that flavorless, father time will be of no help!

[LGC]

Cuba has poor QC on cigars... construction and blend (cheap and expensive sticks). Cigars with a flavorless blend will never get better with time. In addition, you can't depend on a single box of sticks to be consistent all the way through. In the same box, you can have plugged and loose sticks, and flavorful or bland sticks. Regardless of age or price point, you never can know how a single stick will perform until it is smoked.

[Orion21]

Cigars that are bland when purchased will not get better with time.  The only cigars that have significantly improved over time for me were the ones so damn strong they were nearly unsmokeable.  Cohiba, PL, QdO etc it doesn't matter.  There needs to be a lot of something there for them to work into something special. Back in the day the leaf was so newly fermented when rolled the cigars went through secondary fermentation in the box.  Today some of the leaf they are using is years old...

[PigFish]

14 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Cuba has poor QC on cigars... construction and blend (cheap and expensive sticks). Cigars with a flavorless blend will never get better with time. In addition, you can't depend on a single box of sticks to be consistent all the way through. In the same box, you can have plugged and loose sticks, and flavorful or bland sticks. Regardless of age or price point, you never can know how a single stick will perform until it is smoked.

... expanding on this, this is simply why I won't bend over and pay through the nose for Cuban cigars. Yes, the best are the best, but the mix of the lousy with the best simply due to poor construction practices as a result of disrespect for the consumer is a plague on the Habanos brand. For awhile 20xx I thought this was improving, but from where I sit today, I think production is worse today than in days past.

-Piggy

[Orion21]

3 minutes ago, PigFish said:

... expanding on this, this is simply why I won't bend over and pay through the nose for Cuban cigars. Yes, the best are the best, but the mix of the lousy with the best simply due to poor construction practices as a result of disrespect for the consumer is a plague on the Habanos brand. For awhile 20xx I thought this was improving, but from where I sit today, I think production is worse today than in days past.

-Piggy

100% agree.  Just because someone pays $20 each for a EL or RE cigars doesn't mean it will be rolled well or the proper amounts of leaf will have been used.  I HATE open draws and in Cuban cigars with a 50+rg that is the biggest difference I see today vs when I started.  I've had Upmann Royal Robustos literally deflate while I've smoked them.  Not once, not twice but three times.  I've had draws so open I tasted almost nothing and threw the cigar in the bin in disgust.  I guess maybe I am just too demanding . . .

Overwhelmingly my smaller rg cigars have superior draws compared to my larger.   

[PigFish]

2 minutes ago, Orion21 said:

100% agree.  Just because someone pays $20 each for a EL or RE cigars doesn't mean it will be rolled well or the proper amounts of leaf will have been used.  I HATE open draws and in Cuban cigars with a 50+rg that is the biggest difference I see today vs when I started.  I've had Upmann Royal Robustos literally deflate while I've smoked them.  Not once, not twice but three times.  I've had draws so open I tasted almost nothing and threw the cigar in the bin in disgust.  I guess maybe I am just too demanding . . .

Overwhelmingly my smaller rg cigars have superior draws compared to my larger.   

... unfortunately, the plague has infected many of the smaller cigars that I bought this year as well. I guess I will be on another 5 year hiatus as I again sit back and see what shakes out of the soap opera, "How the Cigar Rolls."

I would really be ashamed to show my face if I were involved with this company. Shortages, not paying farmers, can't make deadlines... man these people running the show over there make the Three Stooges appear as seasoned professionals.

 -the Pig

[cigaraholic]

I believe the Three Stooges are vastly overqualified to roll Cuban cigars today....

[Mattb82]

Even with all the issues cc can have it just takes that one amazing cigar to make my day/week and it still happens every week for me. I know when you have a few bad ones in a box it stinks, but I'll take that one exceptional one over an entire box of NC. This was last night, perfect draw, burn, exceptional cigar 

[Bohn007]

On 11/4/2016 at 1:26 PM, PigFish said:

... unfortunately, the plague has infected many of the smaller cigars that I bought this year as well. I guess I will be on another 5 year hiatus as I again sit back and see what shakes out of the soap opera, "How the Cigar Rolls."

I would really be ashamed to show my face if I were involved with this company. Shortages, not paying farmers, can't make deadlines... man these people running the show over there make the Three Stooges appear as seasoned professionals.

 -the Pig

Smoking one of Rob's PSP Monte #4 as I write this. It's a nice smoke that I would never have tried if not for everyone here. Which of the smaller rg CC's do you like now? 

[Habana Mike]

Cuban cigars are pretty much what Forrest Gump describes as a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.....

As mentioned above, boxes are filled with cigars sorted by wrapper color so every cigar in the box could have been rolled by different rollers with different leaves on their tables.

That means you could get a wide range of construction, blend and flavors across the board in any one box,,,,

With that, I've found for whatever reason, almost to the one, most recent Edmundos do not and have not matched up to those in the original releases,,,,