Fugu Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 9 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: may i say, kudos all round. as a former moderator, currently serving the 28th month of a 6 month suspension, which was unfairly imposed by the forces of darkness (hi rob) for merely attempting to defend liberty and civilisation, this is exactly how it is done. personally, i used to wait till i knew rob was getting on a long haul flight before i'd throw the grenades but away on hols with his kid is equally admirable. i can see him now, in his wannabee glam cave - "why, why? why do those %**^%& wait until i am away before they do this. the **&*)(&&^*u9." and lots more. now, if we can somehow squeeze in a little something on the creationist fruitcakes and the gun nutters we will have a thread we can all be proud of. i look forward to many of you joining me on the bench. Haha, love it Ken ... there you got it - a shame you now have to bear the consequences! (well, congrats! ) As we are at the Mod thing: There are valid points indeed on both sides of the debate but in particular in the move of some here, like NSX, SC and max - and I wouldn't call them dickheads for that - to encourage new members to use the search function. In particular, in members whose total post count almost equals their number of started threads and polls. People - it is just a suggestion, others who feel entitled to respond in detail on the subject might still do so! But starting the same topic from scratch every "fortnight" is a killer to a forum. It is surely a balance that needs to be found there. That said - to the mods - I rather find it a bit overreaching to remove any posts from this harmless, really harmless thread. And there was even a healthy bit of selfmoderation from members. I mean, where are we going here with FOH? Can't we bear straight talk?! Your decision of course, and Rob sets the final benchmarks, but are we the same people, who at other occasion are complaining about the nanny state...? I love this forum for the mostly good manners, class and helpfulness of its members, that should certainly be kept and treasured. But I don't see that at risk when the occasional 'clear word' is being admitted. Just my 2cts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subport Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 10 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: may i say, kudos all round. as a former moderator, currently serving the 28th month of a 6 month suspension, which was unfairly imposed by the forces of darkness (hi rob) for merely attempting to defend liberty and civilisation, this is exactly how it is done. personally, i used to wait till i knew rob was getting on a long haul flight before i'd throw the grenades but ... Ahaha love it.:D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Fugu said: That said - to the mods - I rather find it a bit overreaching to remove any posts from this harmless, really harmless thread. My perspective is that none of us have a "right" to be here. While the forum is open for anyone to read, in order to post, one must join. In doing so, we agree to the rules both written and unwritten - we agree to try and uphold the forum tenor, especially with regards to how we treat fellow members. If I had to venture a guess, I imagine the mods and admins don't take editing or deleting threads or posts lightly. They are not baby sitters. As for the search function, I guess it might depend on whether someone is truly looking for information, or simply looking to make conversation........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LordAnubis Posted September 23, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2016 New posts being created that are already existing is a bit of a pain. But members are new, and members need help and guidance. Some people learn from doing their own research. Some learn from asking questions. All the same people, no one is better than anyone else. No one should claim superiority to anyone else. Not mods, not site veterans, not new members. @agulerer ask whatever questions you want mate. We're here to help. Just keep in mind that this site, just like anything in life, needs some order. You don't put your laundry bleach next to your milk bottle. If you have a thought you can try and find solutions, but it is sometimes hard and if you start a new thread there's no problem with that. People don't have to respond to a thread either. If you're sick of someone creating a new thread, you don't have to reply. Either add something positive and constructive to the topic or don't add anything at all. As for mods. I can speak for myself, being the newest moderator on this site, and not anyone else. The line is drawn when a member is insulting another member, and it is dealt with with warning points and suspensions etc. All posts are hidden, not deleted. Moderators can see what has been written that the public can't see. It stays so that we have a record of people who are "repeat offenders". The problem is most of the time when action needs to be taken, the thread has to be significantly moderated to remove the lead up and the aftermath. This sometimes leads to over censorship or the entire thread hidden at worst case. It is regrettable but it is what it is. Disagreement is not a bad thing. What is bad is when two people believe their OPINION is the only correct answer and aren't willing to let the other persons opinion be. There are ways to have a disagreement. Insulting someone for their opinion is not one of those ways. It has been a very long time since there have been any big problems with members on this site. The credit for keeping this site going in a enthusiastic, polite and informative manner goes to you guys, the members. In the coming years this site will grow significantly with more exposure and plenty of new members will join. I look forward to seeing the membership base continue with the values we all share. Fraternity, friendship, loyalty and laughter is what it's all about... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Well put @LordAnubis. I respect both sides of the arguments here, minus the ad-hominem attacks between members. It's an age old internet problem. Do you tell the "noob" to RTFM Or... In possibly less time consuming manner, just answer the question and suggest ways to improve their search skills for the future. Which to a few people's credit here, they did. To some degree. This isn't the early days of computing. Storage is cheap, computing power continues to grow exponentially. And as far as the membership here goes. I'd say the people here are a cut above the rest. There are the odd slips now and then, but overall there is a solid base. Keep aiming high everyone. Grind your axes offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agulerer Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 In this forum, there are some very rude people and they think they are owner of the forum and always attack. I think they have problem with their own and I did not reply. If you do not like, you do not reply to thread. It is simple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Time Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 15 hours ago, PapaDisco said: To answer the original question . . . IMHO: Lots of CC's that smoke very well, right off the truck (ROTT): Bolivar Corona Grande, Punch Punch, Partagas Lusitania (for Gawd's Sake!), Partagas D4, Hoyo Epi 2, and on and on. It varies from year to year of course, but you shouldn't be shy about dipping into a new box after a 30 day rest (from the trials of travel) just to see what's what. The only fresh cigars from Cuban that have been total losers for me have been Bolivar Royal Coronas and Cohiba Robustos . . . and pretty much everyone else disagrees with me. Ideally, you'll let them all get 1-5 years on them. That seems to improve just about all Cubans, and some will really shine with serious aging, but you'll find so many that are smokeable young. They might get a bit of newbie harshness and nip in the final third, but that just lets you know to leave the rest of the box be for a bit longer. I'm with you on the robustos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 1 hour ago, agulerer said: In this forum, there are some very rude people and they think they are owner of the forum and always attack. I think they have problem with their own and I did not reply. If you do not like, you do not reply to thread. It is simple. Excuse me, but when have you been "attacked" on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurltim Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Squirrel... Speaking of Ken getting his wings back after an extended Time Out siesta, I hang out on a private political board on FB where one of the "mods" and her husband are members. She regularly locks his profile when he gets out of hand. "Hey, where is Bernie?", "He's in Time Out...again." Hilarious!!! This is my token attempt at distraction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted September 23, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2016 I have a couple things to say. First, I don't believe there is any case to be made for being a dick or being "attacked" by merely pointing out that a search is a useful tool and replying directly to the OP the results of a basic search that perfectly answers their question. The OP also claimed he had searched but I was highly dubious of this claim based on the ease with which I was able to find extremely pertinent info. Either there was no search performed as claimed or the OP's familiarity with forum interfaces and search skills need serious improvement. Second, if this forum is about information and knowledge, searching should be highly encouraged. A new thread on an old topic distracts from good information found in previous threads on that topic. As a member of many forums since the 90s, I can tell you that failure to perform a basic search before starting a thread is a capital offense on nearly all of them. It's fine if that's not how it goes on FOH, but that's when a forum devolves into a message board, IMHO. There are some here who see a distinction between a forum with vast amounts of knowledge and info discussed for nearly a decade and a message board. Encouraging others to discover the enormous wealth of info here should not be looked down upon or discouraged. It could be argued that simply starting a thread asking a question that's been addressed in 10 different threads is an ignorance of how great FOH is and has been for years. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 1 hour ago, NSXCIGAR said: I have a couple things to say. No member should be dissuaded from or belittled for asking a question - but surely if someone is seeking an answer in earnest, they should be willing to do a little digging on their own. If any member is willing to take the time to provide me with links or search keywords to help answer a question, I'd say thank you very much. Simply telling someone to do a search....... For me it's always come down to how people view the forum. I've pretty much always viewed it as having real discussions and not simply posting "stuff". For what it's worth, I think the IPB search engine is crap...... A little P.S. just for fun..... We can be frustrated by the same questions asked in a relatively short time. I feel that way about posted reviews with a dozen pics of cigars in various stages of ignition, but with little in the way of actual description. Members deciding to go through the introduction forum and saying welcome to two dozen new members. Pics of KG crushing grapes. Etc, etc, etc...... Water off a duck's back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akela3rd Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Yes, the question has been asked before and Yes, the information can be searched out but I'd ask it if I wanted to know. Old questions can bring new opinions, if not new answers. If you're bored by it, fine, ignore it. I know my answer which is take the time to find out for yourself what suits your taste. By all means seek the opinions of others but don't expect an A-Z of suitable aging times for Cubans. I like them pretty much fresh and I'm sure a few years in the right conditions can do wonders for certain cigars, but I'm impatient and impulsive and my cigars whisper to me! It's only when I've got only a couple left do I really leave them alone for any great length of time. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.And to those that get irate about such matters - don't, you'll be happier. This world has many more things you can get righteously pissed off about, don't let an innocent question be one of them.Peace out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agulerer Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Thanks to people who replied about my question and who supported me about this thread. For fresh cigars did you have bitter taste or bad taste? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zigatoh Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Honestly I think you need to consider what you are asking in more detail. You cant lump all ccs together and say do ccs need 1 year or 3/4, it just doesn't work like that. Then adding a question about overall consistency in ccs and the only possible response is search, read, research until you understand a bit more and can put together a meaningful question which gives us a possibility of providing a useful answer. As it is your answer is - ccs can be good or bad at 1 year, they can be good or bad at 3/4 years, they can be both consistent and inconsistent, and young cigars can sometimes taste bitter or bad and other times not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, Zigatoh said: Honestly I think you need to consider what you are asking in more detail. You cant lump all ccs together and say do ccs need 1 year or 3/4, it just doesn't work like that. Then adding a question about overall consistency in ccs and the only possible response is search, read, research until you understand a bit more and can put together a meaningful question which gives us a possibility of providing a useful answer. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotusguy Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Thanks to people who replied about my question and who supported me about this thread. For fresh cigars did you have bitter taste or bad taste?It depends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 57 minutes ago, Colt45 said: No member should be dissuaded from or belittled for asking a question - but surely if someone is seeking an answer in earnest, they should be willing to do a little digging on their own. If any member is willing to take the time to provide me with links or search keywords to help answer a question, I'd say thank you very much. Simply telling someone to do a search....... For me it's always come down to how people view the forum. I've pretty much always viewed it as having real discussions and not simply posting "stuff". For what it's worth, I think the IPB search engine is crap...... A little P.S. just for fun..... We can be frustrated by the same questions asked in a relatively short time. I feel that way about posted reviews with a dozen pics of cigars in various stages of ignition, but with little in the way of actual description. Members deciding to go through the introduction forum and saying welcome to two dozen new members. Pics of KG crushing grapes. Etc, etc, etc...... Water off a duck's back i have never posted a pic of me crushing anything, except my own hopes and dreams, and certainly not grapes. messy messy business and i avoid it at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, Ken Gargett said: i have never posted a pic of me crushing anything...... Can't say it's true, but have heard rumors of said pics / vid. I imagine, were it true, they'd have been posted by his darkness..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSXCIGAR Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Colt45 said: ...but surely if someone is seeking an answer in earnest, they should be willing to do a little digging on their own... Yes. 1 hour ago, Colt45 said: ...Simply telling someone to do a search... Not what I originally said at all, and I would never (nor should anyone) reply to any question with "do a search, dude." Yes, the search engine isn't the best, and yes, the results can be a bit tough to see at times. That's why I did my own search before responding so I could exclude the possibility of ambiguous results and confirm his claim of having searched. I would love to help someone with an original question and take the time, but why should I (or any of us) take the time to answer questions that have been answered multiple times in multiple ways over multiple years? The entire idea is supposed to be about delivering to the inquiring party the most complete and thorough answers, info and knowledge possible, which I feel I did more than anyone else, quite frankly, by searching and referencing years of talk about it. If I had ignored the post as some others are suggesting I do in the future--even the OP!--the info found in the past threads I provided would likely never have been seen by the OP. But instead of a thank you, I get a ---- you. Also, might the reason that the search function turns up ambiguous and confusing results be because there's a hundred threads discussing essentially the same thing all in one sub-forum? Seems to me a negative feedback loop. When what are essentially reposts aren't policed, search results become unwieldy, leading to more reposts and more confusing search results. This directly affects my search for information and knowledge which is mainly why I, and many others, are here. Threads can be bumped, and it accomplishes the same thing without the clutter, and everyone who posted to the original thread is notified of a new post. That seems far more effective to me. I guess it's settled that reposting and failure to do some basic searching by even newbies is not going to be policed or even discouraged, and I just have to accept that. My personal opinion is that a general policy such as that negatively affects those who are here mainly for knowledge and information and those who, like me, are very eager to help those with valid, original questions, and those who have those questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurltim Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 47 minutes ago, agulerer said: Thanks to people who replied about my question and who supported me about this thread. For fresh cigars did you have bitter taste or bad taste? You are, of course, free to choose whichever path you like. To answer your question, some do, most don't but if it is bitter, it is most likely not because of the age of the cigar. What I did to start, is go off of El Presidante's recommendations about which ones COULD be better after a few years of aging and which are great right now. There is a spreadsheet somebody made here with all of the 24:24 sales over the last few years or so. In the "raw data" tab, is the description that you see on every 24:24 cigar. Basically, it is a repository of El Presidantes tasting notes and RECOMMENDATIONS. They are just that, recommendations. If you like a cigar RIGHT NOW, smoke the dang thing but keep a few for later to try aged. I simply used his aged recommendations as a way to prioritize my sampling and box purchases. I had an empty humidor so buying a bunch of sticks like the HDM San Juan, primarily a "lay down" cigar is not a priority for me. I WILL eventually get a sample of a HDM San Juan, just not right now. If you are looking for a place to start, look at reviews and El Prez's flavor notes. If it sounds like something you would like to try, then get a single or buy a box. Again, there are no rules we can apply to fit every cigar. Two boxes of Coro's, with the same box code could very well taste and age completely different from each other. Hope this hleps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said: Yes. Not what I originally said at all..... I didn't see what was removed, and it's really not my business. At times in the past I've provided links to help answer questions - not because I didn't feel like answering, but because I believed previous discussions would help provide a better answer, and as you've mentioned, point members in the direction of the wealth of available information. But again, my view of the forum might be a little offbeat. For the most part I really do try and think of discussions here as if we were all sitting around having a few cigars, drinks, laughs together. Questions asked, topics discussed, on to the next world saving discussion P.S. for what it's worth, I could not really say much about the original question as I've really no cigars of more recent vintage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 21 minutes ago, Colt45 said: Can't say it's true, but have heard rumors of said pics / vid. I imagine, were it true, they'd have been posted by his darkness..... his darkness and his evil offsider, prince elie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 "his darkness and his evil offsider, prince elie! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subport Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 On 9/23/2016 at 3:24 PM, agulerer said: In this forum, there are some very rude people and they think they are owner of the forum and always attack. I think they have problem with their own and I did not reply. If you do not like, you do not reply to thread. It is simple. We are all different. Dif countries cultures, style etc... Some of us are precise and like to correct all small mistakes and typos for a good reason. To tell and teach people the correct infos. Nothing is offensive in that case. You just need to see behind the lines. Yes, it took me a while to understand Smallclub style but I have never seen him being, acting rude or offensive. But Ihave learnt things from him even when I did not get the"why like that" way. But he and everybody else has a right to tell opinions. Even if you dont like the style of it. Just get the useful info out of it and do not start arguing. Supersimple and no. I have no reason to defend him nor he needs that. I dont know him more than you do... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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