44rg - why not more popular?

[bman75]

...Or, will HSA ever release another sub-50rg cigar that isn't meant to be smoked in the 35 minutes of free time we are supposedly limited to now?

Just found it curious that Trinidad Coloniales and the Upmann & Monte half-coronas are the only 44rg regular production.  44rg seems like a hole in the lineup.  When I have a mareva, I consider it a small cigar. When I have a corona gorda, I feel that I'm having a full size cigar.  Is there room for something in the middle?  I adore the size of the 43x6 JLP Cazadores I have - just wish it was a better cigar.

Does anyone think that a Franciscos (44 X 5.6) would sell well, especially for marcas that don't offer a corona gorda?

 

[El Presidente]

I think that a 44 x 5.6 should be rolled out in Diplomatico as a test case.  It would be a superb cigar. 

Ramon Allones and Punch would be the next. 

All three would be winners. 

[Notsocleaver]

If I could get the H Upmann Half corona in the Coloniales size, I might not smoke anything else.

[Notsocleaver]

7 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

I think that a 44 x 5.6 should be rolled out in Diplomatico as a test case.  It would be a superb cigar. 

Ramon Allones and Punch would be the next. 

All three would be winners. 

As REs for $300+ a box...

[NSXCIGAR]

Franciscos--my favorite vitola of all time. Can only get 44 RG in a Coloniales these days. Not the worlds's biggest Trini fan, but the last Coloniales I had was pretty good...

Fun fact: only two regular production cigars post-revolution ever were of the Franciscos vitola: Boli CE and RA Allones Extra (re-released as a 2011 EL)

Rob's idea for a Dip Franciscos is brilliant. Dip needs another vitola badly. There are plenty of people who aren't big fans of the Piramides (me included). Having one vitola in the lineup and it being a Piramides is utterly insane. The Dip 2 seems to be performing so well right now that it's just a crying shame HSA feels the need to alienate so many people that prefer smaller RG. I mean, the least they could do is a Corona Gorda. I could even live with a Robusto or Hermosos #4 or--gasp--a Robusto Extra.

The two discontinued cigars that people appear to miss the most by far are the Boli CE and the Dip 4. HSA could almost kill two birds with one stone with a Dip Franciscos. 

Would love to see a Rafael Gonzalez Franciscos. Interestingly, the original PL Picadores was a 44 RG. HSA just can't introduce anything these days less than 46 RG (unless it's another Mareva for RyJ)

Sadly, we will likely never see any of this because HSA's marketing is run by chimpanzees.

[JohnS]

Although longer (162 mm or just under 6.4 inches), the Fonseca No.1 is another 44 ring gauge cigar (Ok...CCW says 43rg!). Apparently discontinued, but still shows up from time to time. 

[gweilgi]

2 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I think that a 44 x 5.6 should be rolled out in Diplomatico as a test case.  It would be a superb cigar. 

Ramon Allones and Punch would be the next. 

All three would be winners. 

 Ramon Allones in that size ... the Eminencias spring to mind, a most superior vitola.  Some of our <cough> are lucky enough to still have a box of these most delectable of cigars...

[Duxnutz]

Had a Boli CE yesterday. Such a classy cigar. I completely agree, we need more 44RG regular production. 

I remain hopeful of a Diplomatico skinny (relatively speaking!). 

[Fugu]

Don't care about the Coloniales, don't need a 44 RG Diplo nor a Fonseca 1.

Don't need more, just need one.

Bring back the BCE and I am happy.

 

[losttrailer]

38 minutes ago, Fugu said:

Bring back the BCE and I am happy.

same here, one really cant mention this often enough

looking forward to the Hoyo Elegantes, at least it will have two spots with a 44RG

[Smallclub]

4 hours ago, JohnS said:

Although longer (162 mm or just under 6.4 inches), the Fonseca No.1 is another 44 ring gauge cigar. Apparently discontinued, but still shows up from time to time. 

It's (or was?) a 43 ring gauge; cazadore vitola, just like the RyJ Cazadore.

[JohnS]

4 minutes ago, Smallclub said:

It's (or was?) a 43 ring gauge; cazadore vitola, just like the RyJ Cazadore.

Yes, Cuban Cigar Website lists it as such...

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand.aspx?brand=fonseca#Fonseca_No.1

Strange, some other websites on-line reference it as 44 rg, but I'm more than happy to accept it as 43 ring gauge. Pity it's not around, I don't mind its wood, floral and honey notes every now and then.

 

[joeypots]

I'm thinking that  the popularity of jaw breakers will make Habanos limit the smaller RG sizes. There are quite a few  42RG and 46RG. I'd bet against them filling that small gap when they will sell less of them while 220 RG X 3" cigars fly off the shelves. I grieve the loss of my BCEs.

[Philc2001]

It's very disappointing HSA  keeps killing off the great slender formats. I love the lonsdale, corona and corona gorda formats. Man I've smoked a lot of Boli Inmensas, Punch SS#1, SS#2 and Coronas. I miss them. Montecristo seems to be one of the only marcas that haven't yet been decimated like the others. I think I better stock up before HSA unsheathes their axe again. 

[PigFish]

8 hours ago, Fugu said:

Don't care about the Coloniales, don't need a 44 RG Diplo nor a Fonseca 1.

Don't need more, just need one.

Bring back the BCE and I am happy.

 

...brilliant! Bravo!

Resurrect the BCE. F' the extra band and the extra 'bread.' The troops want meat, don't feed'em beans!!!

-the Pig

[bman75]

Alas, I started smoking too recently to have ever enjoyed a BCE.  I can only imagine how nice they were.  

Great idea by Pres to add a Dip Franciscos.  Even if something like that eventually makes regular production as supposed to EL/RE, I can see HSA suggested retail around $180 as it is a new cigar and gets the new cigar HSA pricing.  In any case, sign me up.

Maybe I'll take a plunge on a box of the similarly-sized Fonseca 1 while there are still some to be had.  I've only had the Fonseca Delicias which, like Ken when he describes cigars he isn't thrilled with, I'd describe as "pleasant."  Like saying a woman has a nice personality .  I'm surprised that with the F1 being discontinued that Fonseca remains a Multi-Local marca while Ramon Allones is still Local.  HSA must sell a lot of the short filler Fonseca in Europe.

 

[pilar]

Like my wife says, its best if the girth is proportionate to the length. I don't like these big ringed cigars but I prefer even a mareva to a robusto. I wish there were more corona sized vitolas.

[JohnS]

8 hours ago, Philc2001 said:

It's very disappointing HSA  keeps killing off the great slender formats. I love the lonsdale, corona and corona gorda formats. Man I've smoked a lot of Boli Inmensas, Punch SS#1, SS#2 and Coronas. I miss them. Montecristo seems to be one of the only marcas that haven't yet been decimated like the others. I think I better stock up before HSA unsheathes their axe again. 

Yes, the seven global brands (Cohiba, Montecristo, H.Upmann, Hoyo de Monterrey, Partagas, Romeo y Julieta and Jose L.Piedra) have remained relatively untouched, in regards to deletions, in comparison with other marcas.

[Blakes]

18 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I think that a 44 x 5.6 should be rolled out in Diplomatico as a test case.  It would be a superb cigar. 

Ramon Allones and Punch would be the next. 

All three would be winners. 

Agree with the Dip CE.. it has crossed my mind a few times. I think it would be a great cigar for the brand.

Punch desperately needs a new cigar. A 44 x 5.6 is probably too close to the Punch Punch to add much variety.

Personally I think if they just mirrored the Partagas Shorts (available in 25 and 50 counts of course!!) They would be onto a winner! Or even a Punch along the lines of the PL montecarlo.. but that's way to skinny for these times!

Back to the 44 x 5.6 Maybe a Flor de Cano? Surely time to give the brand a reg. production long fill?

[Philc2001]

13 minutes ago, JohnS said:

Yes, the seven global brands (Cohiba, Montecristo, H.Upmann, Hoyo de Monterrey, Partagas, Romeo y Julieta and Jose L.Piedra) have remained relatively untouched, in regards to deletions, in comparison with other marcas.

Unfortunately, the Partagas Serie du connaisseur, another of my favorites, also a victim. 

[JohnS]

38 minutes ago, Philc2001 said:

Unfortunately, the Partagas Serie du connaisseur, another of my favorites, also a victim. 

Yes, much loved and much missed by many on our forum.

[earthson]

1 hour ago, bman75 said:

 

Maybe I'll take a plunge on a box of the similarly-sized Fonseca 1 while there are still some to be had.  I've only had the Fonseca Delicias which, like Ken when he describes cigars he isn't thrilled with, I'd describe as "pleasant."

 

I am not a fan of the smaller Fonsecas and I like small RG cigars whether long or short.  The F no 1, however, are a thing of beauty to me.  So many flavors throughout and an action-packed smoke that often keeps me guessing puff to puff.

[airtrade]

Well this thread just put me on yet another HTF discontinued search!
Must try these BCE!

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