Is It The Begining

[kuma]

of the end of the EU.  Sounds like there is quite a line building "me next" up to bolt this

badly conceived idea.

[losttrailer]

they ain't out until they are out as i stated allready on the other thread. It was just one referendum and nobody knows what comes next.

If you follow google statistics on poms searching for the consequences of the Brexit and EU in general it seems like some are waking up just now.

[Smallclub]

3 hours ago, kuma said:

of the end of the EU.  Sounds like there is quite a line building "me next" up to bolt this

badly conceived idea.

  Err… no, actually. In most countries only the extrem right and extrem left campaign for an exit.

[Fugu]

2 hours ago, losttrailer said:

they ain't out until they are out as i stated allready on the other thread. It was just one referendum and nobody knows what comes next.

If you follow google statistics on poms searching for the consequences of the Brexit and EU in general it seems like some are waking up just now.

I much liked the picture from the Guardian article, which Perla posted in the other thread:

"Like the dog that chases the car only to amaze itself by catching it, those who campaigned for Brexit own what comes next."

[topdiesel]

I can confirm that my cigars still taste the same following the brexit vote.

However, I am in USA and the only obvious impact here has been a terrible no good rotten day on Wall Street.  It will be interesting to see what follows.  My guess is another vote before the 2 year exit is finished.

[Fosgate]

I narrowly dodged my stocks taking a huge dive by pulling a majority out last Friday. I just wish I would have stuffed them into bonds oh well. Watch for it to level off at the bottom and get back in again. 

[eswary]

Too many sheep, not enough leaders is how I would describe this one...sad.

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[CaptainQuintero]

7 hours ago, losttrailer said:

they ain't out until they are out as i stated allready on the other thread. It was just one referendum and nobody knows what comes next.

If you follow google statistics on poms searching for the consequences of the Brexit and EU in general it seems like some are waking up just now.

The referendum was final, for better or worse. It nearly did irreparable damage to the UK political system it won't be ran again. If there was any possibility the UK staying the EU then Cameron would stayed on to pursue that, no matter how slim.

The petition mentioned above has been rubbished by all sides of the political spectrum and both leave and remain campaigns, the referendum was the democratic process, that side of things is finished now. 

The vast majority of these articles suggesting leavers regret their decision, the Google search results etc are coming from the remain supporting media outlets, they really need to be taken with a substantial grain of salt.

The petition for example is open to anyone in any country. 9000 of the votes are from the Vatican city, another 9000 from Oz etc

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

That's the geolocations of voters 

[Merovius]

I can confirm that my cigars still taste the same following the brexit vote.

However, I am in USA and the only obvious impact here has been a terrible no good rotten day on Wall Street.  It will be interesting to see what follows.  My guess is another vote before the 2 year exit is finished.

Depends on which side of the coin flip you were on.

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[laficion]

Hi all,

This Is only my take on this whole affair about the U.K. leaving the E.U., The U.K. was never really In E.U. . It kept

the Pound and It's ways and was really never In, only the economy side for Itsself. The E.U. really did not do much for

the European Citizen.

All the E.U. does Is put a lot of laws of don't do this and don't do that without really fixing anything .

It didn't fix the economy, It didn't fix unemploment,It didn't fix immigration,It didn't fix the fishing ,It didn't fix agriculture

 and the list goes on.

The only thing It did was to ask for more money from It's people.

How can you have a united Europe If you don't unite the politics In all the states first before you unite the money ?

The way the E.U. Is at the moment, there Is nothing really interesting for the European people.

The E.U. can't go on this way ,It can't go on being against Its Europeans.

This Is only my 2 Euros Worth of It and I'm very far from the thinkings of the extrem right .

Guy

[NSXCIGAR]

My thoughts are that the EU that was promised and the EU that was delivered were two different things. Countries lying and cooking their books to get in with no consequences, irresponsible bailouts, extortion by the nations facing those consequences, a massive and unwieldy bureaucracy, some nations benefiting at other's expense-- I blame no country for wanting out. Anyone concerned about leaving should simply look to Switzerland to ease their fears.

The left claims to love democracy, except when it works against their interests. Then they whine and cry about "uninformed" voters. I've got news for them: the vast majority of people are rationally ignorant. But it is still not easy to tell people not to believe their lying eyes. If even the rationally ignorant average Joe can see there's something fundamentally wrong, and can remember times before the change, you might get a backlash. The EU was basically a bait-and-switch, influenced too much, too soon, and when that happens, people react adversely.

[GasGuy82]

Herein lies the problem with other countries leaving the EU, their debts are denominated in € and required to be paid in €. The U.K., having kept the £ has a much easier path to leave. Imagine the Greeks trying to leave the EU and bringing back the Drachma trying to sell bonds and debt in the Drachma to convert Drachmas to € to repay their creditors in Berlin, Brussels etc. hyperinflation anyone?

If a dozen countries attempt to leave at once and the € begins to crash, either kiss the banks holding that debt goodbye or get ready for a bail in. 

 

From a personal perspective and speaking to friends who work in finance that are regulated by a number of countries worldwide, the UK may be better off in the long run. Much has been made of renegotiating trade deals, but even within the EU, tariffs exist. This isn't a NAFTA scenario where all goods flow freely between neighboring countries with no tariff.

[ebhead]

two recent articles I found...

..one is about the hangover....

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/06/26/british-county-votes-brexit-then-realizes-eu-may-stop-sending-them-money.html

and the other is about lies:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world/europe/having-won-some-brexit-campaigners-begin-backpedaling.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, ebhead said:

two recent articles I found...

..one is about the hangover....

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/06/26/british-county-votes-brexit-then-realizes-eu-may-stop-sending-them-money.html

and the other is about lies:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world/europe/having-won-some-brexit-campaigners-begin-backpedaling.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

No doubt there was embellishment on both sides of the argument. But the heart of the matter is that the EU is absolutely unsustainable long-term, and the sooner the members hit the eject button the better it will be. Now you have Portugal basically threatening to pull out if they are penalized for breaking the EU budget rules. Business as usual in the EU. When the EU folds to these demands you have a system that's dead from the neck up. The EU has been sowing the seeds of its own demise by consistently allowing the rules to be broken and it just confirms the bait-and-switch and benefit-at-others'-expense program that is the EU. 

On paper, the EU may have been a workable concept. In practice, things are very different. 

[MrGTO]

I am surprised the corrupt EU has lasted as long as it has. 

The UN needs to go next. 

They both are about money not the well being of countries or countrymen. 

[GasGuy82]

Somewhere I read that Mario Draghi was the head of GS Europe and in charge of the fiscal audit of Greece as well as other countries when they were admitted to the EU. Draghi signed off on the fisc health of these countries, GS was handsomely rewarded as was Draghi. Ultimately he takes the helm of the ECB. Hmmm...these are the ugly realities of the EU that we know about. What else don't we know?

i remember going to the Europe as a child and teen prior to the EU and have traveled there now. I don't think I can say that things are better now but they sure seem to be a hell of a lot more expensive.