UK Referendum

[LordAnubis]

Who wants to go halves in a 4000 pound H&F 225 humidor? It'll porbably cost us about 200 dollars at this rate

[westg]

7 minutes ago, LordAnubis said:

Who wants to go halves in a 4000 pound H&F 225 humidor? It'll porbably cost us about 200 dollars at this rate

watch what happens in the next hr ..ftse just opened

[westg]

35 minutes ago, tommygun68 said:

Great day to be a pom!

hopefully this will be the start of the end of Globalization

Shouldn't you really be supporting the UK by working and living in it's economy? 

All sorts of immigrants contribute to Australia's economy, even those from Britain......

[cottierm]

And now, listening only to his courage, Cameron announces that he is leaving the sinking boat!

[RijkdeGooier]

2 hours ago, maxcjs0101 said:

So what happens next?

The resurgence of the Commonwealth,

Followed by:

1. The retaking of the 13 Colonies,

2.  The blockade of Europe by the  English navy

3. The third Opium war to subjugate China

4. The reclaiming of the African colonies

 

At the end of which, Sir Winston will be ressurected and preside over an Empire where the sun never sets.  

[westg]

1 hour ago, tommygun68 said:

I'm supporting British economy by dragging down Australia's best i can

aren't  we all

[CaptainQuintero]

Some things that seem to be not mentioned or known by the press 

This has been coming for decades, the vote isn't one about being anti Europe it's been a solid long drawn out rejection of the political EU system that has evolved without democratic backing to control individual nations.

The people of the UK had been denied a vote on this by all parties for decades as they have known that a Brexit vote would always win. The EEC was a brilliant idea, but changing that into a political union was just too much. Although it may have worked if it had been implemented correctly instead of being what it has evolved into because self serving and corruption

Scotland is the place to watch. They cant survive without oil and currently oil is bottomed out. Spain and Italy also would most likely veto their joining the EU because of their own independence movements.

Business should recover to the same levels. Whatever has happened business rules the world and the EU needs to UK as an export market just as much, maybe more, than the UK needs the EU to buy from. Germany lobbying will ensure effectively free trade will continue no matter what the UK demands ie no more freedom of movement

At the very least, the news is interesting again and no one has had to be hurt to make that happen.

I'm interested to see how the EU changes now though. If it does nothing it is on the fast track to doom. There's talk of Dutch and French exit votes now. Is this the end of the political EU project and a return to the EEC?

Very interesting times for everyone

[Jeremy Festa]

Cant believe the outcome! Crazy!

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[wabashcr]

Certainly knew the vote would be close, but I expected Remain to have the edge at the end.  Pretty shocked right now, actually.  That said, I really believe the doom and gloom predictions have been overstated.  The same argument was made when the UK opted to stay with the pound sterling instead of joining the euro.  There will be some short term chaos and uncertainty, but the UK will be fine.  Trade will continue as normal.  If anything, I think this sets the stage for the dissolution of the EU, or at least reversion to the EEC.  If Britain and other like-minded countries want to take another shot at a political union, with the benefit of hindsight, many of the EU mistakes (like haphazard expansion) can be avoided.

[MooseAMuffin]

4 hours ago, RijkdeGooier said:

The resurgence of the Commonwealth,

Followed by:

1. The retaking of the 13 Colonies

Retake the colonies?! I'm not sure if we can handle another British invasion. I think the Beatles were almost more than we could handle.

 

But, if you decide to, will you bring some good tea with you? I promise we won't dump it

Oh, and no taxation without representation!

[Fugu]

A shock! When I got up this morning, I couldn't believe what I heard on the radio. Still late yesterday, all prognoses were in favour of the Remainers. Very sorry for the UK to leave, I can't express how disappointed I feel. Not so much economically, but much more politically! That's the main damage from it! It is not the EEC anymore, it is a political union. That is/was its prime aim, idea and mission.

I am sorry for friends, ex-colleagues and customers in the UK. Let's hope the Scots will now make a new attempt onto independency - and then remain in the club...

It is a sad day for Europe, the consequences of which are yet not fully to be overlooked, neither fully understood. Brought about in the first place by a shitty EU-administration and a EU-parliament lacking in communication skills - but then also by a very weak and shortsighted recent election campaign of Cameron (licking Nigel's boots) and eventually executed by a majority of ill-informed. Sad, sad day for Europe.

Have always been a strong advocate of rather trying to improving and bringing the idea forward instead of leaving and giving up on it. Britain was a heavyweight in the scale and could have brought about reforms successfully. Leaving and they are bereft of any further action.

[Fugu]

2 hours ago, CaptainQuintero said:

Scotland is the place to watch. They cant survive without oil and currently oil is bottomed out.

Offshore wind.

[topdiesel]

Am I missing something?  Won't Britain still be part of the EU for at least 2 more years?  Is it so strange for a country to want to have it's own sovereignty? It is not like they have to unwind everything today.  I guess it is a loss for the globalists, but the world is ever changing.  It will be interesting to see which countries follow suit.

[potpest]

Its a crazy time and one that I did not vote for. However it is done now and we all have to accept it. Now that it has sunk in it will be really interesting to see how it all pans out.

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[Orion21]

England will be fine and prosper.  Trust your people, embrace freedom and the ingenuity of the business owners.  I think England was a pretty wonderful place before joining the EU and will be once it fully extracts itself.  I think it will be a net positive in the long run for England and 10-20 years from now you all will be thanking your lucky stars you aren't party of the BIG collapse when the EU as a whole becomes irrelevant. 

[ebhead]

Best quote I've read on the whole thing;

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/britons-will-enjoy-their-victory-today-but-tomorrow-the-hangover-will-be-fierce/article30606967/

"The vote to take their country out of the European Union was never about the EU itself for the British. Many of them didn’t know even the basic facts about it: A taxi driver told me he was for Leave because he didn’t like the European Court of Human Rights. When I pointed out that the Court was not part of the EU and that Britain would remain a member of it, he said that he still didn’t like the EU."

 

 

[planetary]

8 hours ago, RijkdeGooier said:

The resurgence of the Commonwealth,

Followed by:

1. The retaking of the 13 Colonies,

2.  The blockade of Europe by the  English navy

3. The third Opium war to subjugate China

4. The reclaiming of the African colonies

 

At the end of which, Sir Winston will be ressurected and preside over an Empire where the sun never sets.  

 

I would play this video game.

[planetary]

1 hour ago, Orion21 said:

England will be fine and prosper.  Trust your people, embrace freedom and the ingenuity of the business owners.  I think England was a pretty wonderful place before joining the EU and will be once it fully extracts itself.  I think it will be a net positive in the long run for England and 10-20 years from now you all will be thanking your lucky stars you aren't party of the BIG collapse when the EU as a whole becomes irrelevant. 

I would observe that the trend in many areas of human endeavor, over long stretches of history, is toward consolidation and coordination.  It's even evident in free market capitalism, which is very efficient at creating multi-national conglomerates.

That said, it's clear that we are living in a period where local cultures are lashing out against the latest waves of this trend and asserting their local identities.  But as technology improves, our ability to manage greater complexity and scale increases.  And globalization can leverage technology, which is increasing at an exponential rate.  Thus, the trend to consolidate into larger blocs will be matched by increasing ability.  And in the next 50-100 years, when we have several human generations raised on the internet, a more global human culture (critics call it a "monoculture") is very likely to emerge which will overshadow local cultures.   And so the trend, matched by ever-increasing capability, will be matched by increasing willingness as well.

Yes, there will be bumps like this UK referendum along the way, and a hundred other things just like it.  But they're remarkable because they're exceptional.  It seems to me that globalization will win, in the end.  Of course, it may happen later, when there are populations of humans on the moon and Mars and the asteroids, and the people of Earth have some "other" to point to.  But at that point we will strive toward solarization...  And on and on it will go.

[ebhead]

I don't know if this is the funniest or saddest news article today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

Never "missunderestimate" the voter...

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[Smallclub]

2 hours ago, Orion21 said:

  I think England was a pretty wonderful place before joining the EU and will be once it fully extracts itself.  

So you think England became a "not wonderful" place as soon as it joined the EU in 1973?  Do you have the slightest idea of the economic crisis in UK at this time? The inflation was rampant, the oill shock after the Kippur War required the country to work only 3 days a week. Add to this the Northern Ireland  Troubles… pretty wonderful for sure…

btw it's not about England, but the UK.

[Orion21]

39 minutes ago, Smallclub said:

So you think England became a "not wonderful" place as soon as it joined the EU in 1973?  Do you have the slightest idea of the economic crisis in UK at this time? The inflation was rampant, the oill shock after the Kippur War required the country to work only 3 days a week. Add to this the Northern Ireland  Troubles… pretty wonderful for sure…

btw it's not about England, but the UK.

The exact same thing was happening in the USA during that time with Vietnam and all of the other issues you stated.  The USA didn't run to Canada, Mexico, Brasil etc in a panic.  The USA rode out the hard times, was forced to innovate, lead and entered an era of prosperity the world has never experienced before.  The EU is good in theory and back in the 70's and 80's it might have even made sense.  But, it has grown into a bloated monster that increases taxes/costs to citizens and forces redistribution of massive amounts of wealth from citizens of one country to others . . . just to name a few.  And no I'm not saying the UK was no longer a great place after joining the EU, it was a rhetorical statement

P.S. England = UK

You see the tides are turning around the globe and it makes a lot of people uneasy.  In the UK citizens were forced into austerity . . . as the government continued to be forced to fund the EU.  Can no one see why the "average" person would be disenfranchised?  All for what?  To protect the consolidation of shareholder and personal wealth to the upper echelons of society at an unprecedented rate?  Globalization is not the end all be all people would make it out to be.  Would you be happy to give up your French national pride for a slightly better trade agreement?  That's basically what the EU was requiring on an increasing basis through the growth of the bureaucracy.  More power was being consolidated in Brussels and taken away from the citizens of countries like the UK.   Now it's all being questioned because of a horrible idea called nationalism.  How dare the British call the EU into question?  They must be a bunch of racist Ukips or God only knows what else...

 

[joeypots]

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/nigel-farage-admits-his-bold-brexit-claim-was-mistake

Speaks for itself

[Orion21]

4 minutes ago, joeypots said:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/nigel-farage-admits-his-bold-brexit-claim-was-mistake

Speaks for itself

What speaks for itself?  He regrets making a promise to use some of the recaptured funds for the national health program.  He doesn't state he doesn't support the exit after it being voted on, or do you read it that way? 

Also, shock surprise . . . a politician promised something to get something they wanted and is now going to back out on it - GASP!!!

[joeypots]

17 minutes ago, Orion21 said:

What speaks for itself?  He regrets making a promise to use some of the recaptured funds for the national health program.  He doesn't state he doesn't support the exit after it being voted on, or do you read it that way? 

Also, shock surprise . . . a politician promised something to get something they wanted and is now going to back out on it - GASP!!!

http://www.theonion.com/article/americans-confused-system-government-which-leader--53156

Too much politics for a cigar forum.

[ErikB]

What about Corbyn ? He'd rather see Cameron fail than prevent a catastrophe ? Just another politician hungry for power ?

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