Tired of Govt Fees and Confusing regs?

[Colt45]

I guess for me it's clearly a dig a government bureaucracy. Perhaps some members will think of this thread the next time they're thinking of posting about hassles with red tape....

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, leftimatic said:

 But, really just  think what you want. At the end of the day I could give a rats ass anyway. Now I must attend to an aphid issue on my Italian plumb tree. Oh if only it was easier to import ladybugs.

Spray soapy water, mate. That'll do the job.

[Fugu]

4 hours ago, PigFish said:

Private property is one of the essential building blocks to freedom and a free man. Private property is the essence of success and that is a lesson I think you should learn. I would venture to say, respect for a free man is far more important that the collective, the tribe and even society. Free men can respect and use the earth both.

This part I just quote arbitrarily, Piggy, as I can't and don't want to adress all of this.

In Europe, we have a long-standing history of commonly used property (see "commons" and "tragedy of the commons"). In certain areas, there is a revival and highly interesting experimenting today with going back to that concept and implementing it in different economic fields not only ground. But you may have misunderstood - I am not militating against private ownership, not at all! I am just asking for a bit more open-mindedness and a responsible use of it. But - well, you see, this would lead us to the depths of socio-economics and philosophy - I'd rather prefer to keep it to our current case for our both's ease of mind.

Dear Ray, I had expected that our minds would not meet here. No problem with that, and really no offence taken! I have a completely different take on all this, you know and will have learned from my earlier posts. Likewise I respect your views, since they are sound and always show reason. Still, I often (not always!) have a different one.

On that matter - I don't want to expose myself too much here, but will say - I own a bike (several to be precise) and I don't own a car ('ha', I hear you say) - because I simply don't need one (although - quite regrettably - I am not as young as you might suspect). It were a waste of tied capital if not used at least 4 hours a day (prefer to use those means for other things as you may imagine...). Instead allowing myself the luxury of going by cab, train or rent or share a car if needed. I am owner of "private property" (in var. places) and I am holding various intellectual property rights. The question is - how am I dealing with it? And, at the same time, I have published things that are public domain and use my knowledge for quite a bit of honorary work.

Would I deny some conservational biologist access to my ground with a rather selfish and narrow-minded (yes, sorry...) attitude that this were my own private property? Certainly not! Instead I'd help and assist where I could and would be a happy man if some endangered species were found dwelling and thriving on my grounds. If that would mean I'd be restricted in my use of it - so be it! That's the fair risk and obligation of being a property owner. Rights and obligations - giving and taking. It never is unidirectional! (Ouhhi - late 2:0 pour Le Bleu!!)

Perhaps I am wrong, perhaps you are right, perhaps the truth lies in the middle - who can be really sure? But I live a happy life that way, nothing really to complain about.

Cheers, Gooey!
 

[Fugu]

2 hours ago, leftimatic said:

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Lefti, what you believe about me is pretty irrelevant to me....

Apart from that, I really applaud you. Yes, I do! There is actually nothing that would in any way contradict my post (apart from the 'firepower' thingy...). You are even planning on including some charitable component into your project! Kudos to you! Perhaps just re-read my post a bit more open-minded, and I'll bet you'd be even able to successfully cooperate with said conservational biologist.

Honestly, I wish you all the best and all success for your project!

Goo

 

[Fugu]

2 hours ago, Smallclub said:

And you think it gives you the right to insul those who are concerned by the treatment inflicted to our planet by industrial fishing, industrial farming, chemical industry, etc etc.?

Being self sufficient exempts you to understand environmental legislation?

Thanks SC, much appreciated.

But I think, Lefti is a good one. In the core of his heart, he is. Just a bit overreaching in his post.

[jwr0201]

Personally, I'd have no issue allowing an environmentalist to study my property.  Here in Florida, it would have done real good for the government to study the ecology of many parts of the state rather than allow business, industry and development to destroy an awesome, but fragile natural environment.  Florida has the dubious distinction of having one of the highest number of creatures to become extinct of all 50 states.  Several years ago, under the law of eminent domain, we did lose approx. 30 feet of property to allow for road widening.  $hit happens - no big deal.  

The reply to the inquiry was a good one and they probably got a laugh out of it.  Still, may be a good idea to follow up with an "April Fools" just so they know!  

[leftimatic]

6 hours ago, Fugu said:

Lefti, what you believe about me is pretty irrelevant to me....

Apart from that, I really applaud you. Yes, I do! There is actually nothing that would in any way contradict my post (apart from the 'firepower' thingy...). You are even planning on including some charitable component into your project! Kudos to you! Perhaps just re-read my post a bit more open-minded, and I'll bet you'd be even able to successfully cooperate with said conservational biologist.

Honestly, I wish you all the best and all success for your project!

Goo

 

 

Goo

Thanks for the kind words and support in my project. I do have to admit after rereading my post and yours. I may have been a tad how did you put it overreaching. In my defense I just got home from my son's school after arguing with one of his friend's vegan parent about how I could be so cruel as to raise meat to feed people. I was not in my most mellow moods. Luckily I feel you may have overlooked my rather brash and blunt way of speaking and hopefully understood where I was going. Just to let you know I never really meant to insult anyone rather give an exasperated view of how I see things these days. I tend to take environmental and food security issues very close to heart have done so for years. I tend to ride a mighty high horse and beat my chest loudly when it comes to my rights to do the things I want to without government and corporate meddling.

 All I wanted to do in my post was point out that one can not blame a man for doing what he does to make a living when the demand is there. And don't get me started on the difference between farm subsidies and the small farmer trying to eke out a living in a heavily subsidized corporate world. We live in a weird world where everyone wants everything and they want it now as long it doesn't cost to much and hell be damned if it dirties the water supply or comes in a oversized plastic wrapper never mind the carbon footprint just gimme gimme gimme. And well, someone has to supply the demand. 

 As for my rant about all the work I have done here and my plans for the future.  Once again it wasn't for a pat on the back and a high five. I am doing it because if I don't who will? I have a need to show people it is possible to do this stuff and co-exist with the land around you.  And I hope that if I can successfully help a few people out maybe it would be a good role model for other people with that extra garden or pasture space and knowledge to get off their asses and do something. Then maybe they would inspire two friends and they would tell two friends and so on and so on. Problem is I fear it may never happen due to all the legalities and other hoopla involved. It may very well be impossible to help thy neighbor in case he steps on an upturned rake, bashes himself in the face and sues me for all I have. I am still looking into how to deal with this.

  Oh and for the record. When I first put up fencing for my pig pastures there was a small pond I wanted to incorporate for them to wallow in. But the spring prior the noise of the frogs in there kept us awake 24/7 . So just to let you know I asked a local frog expert to come and let us know if we were killing off a fragile habitat. And her answer was not to worry they were all invasive species and my pigs eating them would be doing the world a big favor. So no I wont let the government freely waltz around my property but biologists are ok as long as they come alone.  And the best part is I sleep at night in the springtime now.

 Anyway hope there are no hard feelings between us. I think we may have a lot of the same views just different ways of looking at them.

Lefty

[Fosgate]

19 minutes ago, leftimatic said:

 

Goo

Thanks for the kind words and support in my project. I do have to admit after rereading my post and yours. I may have been a tad how did you put it overreaching. In my defense I just got home from my son's school after arguing with one of his friend's vegan parent about how I could be so cruel as to raise meat to feed people. I was not in my most mellow moods. Luckily I feel you may have overlooked my rather brash and blunt way of speaking and hopefully understood where I was going. Just to let you know I never really meant to insult anyone rather give an exasperated view of how I see things these days. I tend to take environmental and food security issues very close to heart have done so for years. I tend to ride a mighty high horse and beat my chest loudly when it comes to my rights to do the things I want to without government and corporate meddling.

 

Lefty

Ahhh Vegan arguments! Try this next time! hope it cheers you up.

 

 

 

[PigFish]

Viva the level-headed, meat-eating, bike riding, eco-friendly consumers one and all!

Well played my friends... Bravo!

A well-placed bash on the EL program may just be in order here!!! -LOL

-the Pig

[SCgarman]

4 hours ago, PigFish said:

Viva the level-headed, meat-eating, bike riding, eco-friendly consumers one and all!

Well played my friends... Bravo!

A well-placed bash on the EL program may just be in order here!!! -LOL

-the Pig

Well, I myself am a member of P.E.T.A. !!  People Eating Tasty Animals. No Vegans allowed in my domain. Steaks, Ribs, Chicken, of course cooked on what else? Charcoal and a Weber kettle. Yum.  BTW, we lived in Santa Maria, CA for a year and the Tri-Tip barbecue there was fantastic! Miss it.  Cheers!!

[Akela3rd]

What a great thread this has been. Thought I'd read a bit of my book before bed (John Gierach's Fly Fishing Small Streams) but had a look at the last day of this first. It's full of great characters, is a rollercoaster of intellect and emotion and has "and they all lived happily ever after" at the end, worthy of the Booker Prize. Great read.

Thank-you all and goodnight!

Neil

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[Orion21]

15 hours ago, Fosgate said:

Ahhh Vegan arguments! Try this next time! hope it cheers you up.

 

 

 

I shite you not, I once had a Vegan family friend of mine bring a can of vegan black beans to THANKSGIVING dinner . . . !!!

Being that this guy was 30 years my senior I just looked at him and shook my head.  He noticed and asked me why I was giving him a funny look.  I just told him I felt sorry he couldn't enjoy food anymore. At dinner we all sat down and had plates full of turkey, mashed potatoes etc . . . and this d-bag had a bowl of black beans.  What made it worse, we spent the whole Fing dinner discussing his "veganism" and having to humor his passive aggressive criticism of our normal diets.  

Sufficed to say he turned so weird we haven't seen him in several years.  

[Fugu]

17 hours ago, leftimatic said:

Anyway hope there are no hard feelings between us. I think we may have a lot of the same views just different ways of looking at them.

Lefty

All good, man, all good. Appreciate your post!

Goo

[leftimatic]

22 hours ago, Fosgate said:

Ahhh Vegan arguments! Try this next time! hope it cheers you up.

 

 

 

It did cheer me up. Thanks

[DrunkenMonkey]

8 hours ago, Orion21 said:

I shite you not, I once had a Vegan family friend of mine bring a can of vegan black beans to THANKSGIVING dinner . . . !!!

Being that this guy was 30 years my senior I just looked at him and shook my head.  He noticed and asked me why I was giving him a funny look.  I just told him I felt sorry he couldn't enjoy food anymore. At dinner we all sat down and had plates full of turkey, mashed potatoes etc . . . and this d-bag had a bowl of black beans.  What made it worse, we spent the whole Fing dinner discussing his "veganism" and having to humor his passive aggressive criticism of our normal diets.  

Sufficed to say he turned so weird we haven't seen him in several years.  

Wow, the nerve of that guy to show up for thanksgiving dinner, and he doesn't even eat meat?!?  What a d-bag!  Good thing you were there to make fun of him. I hope you punched him in the face and took his lunch money. 

[Jeremy Festa]

Frogs are awesome

[Scrubber]

I like turtles

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[PatrickEwing]

31 minutes ago, Scrubber said:

I like turtles

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[El Presidente]

4 hours ago, Jerocco said:

Frogs are awesome

Love them. Either jumping from the downpipe or cooked in a Vietnamese spicy sauce. 

[El Presidente]

3 hours ago, Scrubber said:

I like turtles

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Cook them through at 160 degrees for for 1 hour per 1/2 kilo. They can carry some nasty worms. 

[Jeremy Festa]

Love them. Either jumping from the downpipe or cooked in a Vietnamese spicy sauce. 

That old place that moved from Wilston to Stafford Road was all-time for some escargot and frog's legs. Was just too niche for the area! Wish Montrachet had a stab at them!

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[Orion21]

16 hours ago, DrunkenMonkey said:

Wow, the nerve of that guy to show up for thanksgiving dinner, and he doesn't even eat meat?!?  What a d-bag!  Good thing you were there to make fun of him. I hope you punched him in the face and took his lunch money. 

It's not that he's a Vegan which makes him a d-bag it's that he turned the holiday in to a discussion about himself, while passive aggressively criticizing everyone else who wasn't a Vegan - - while eating his bowl of beans . . .

The proper thing to do when you have dietary restrictions is to to tell your host ahead of time.  Especially when the host has known you since college.  But instead of giving a heads up so we could have bought food for him he shows up with his can of beans and a lot of unwanted advice.  I'm sure you can see how that would make him a d-bag, lol.

[Fosgate]

This sort of explains my distaste for the current wildlife management. http://blog.eastmans.com/the-predator-death-spiral/ 

This happens in my state all the time. When the Corps of Engineers opened up the Oahe Dam in the late 1990's at a period when baitfish were migrated near the dam. In opening the gates they dumped a vast amount of food source fish downstream. The result, game fish (Wallleye, Northern Pike, Salmon) were starving. You could throw a line in the the fish would hit almost immediately. Sounds awesome right? Not when what should be a 9lb Walleye you just hauled in is skin and bones and less than half the body weight it should be. Game Fish and Parks did not respond to the emergency by bringing in native bait fish from surrounding lakes. What they did was eliminate the size limit and increase the catch limit then went about a PR campagn to bring in out of state fishers to haul everything they could. The result was over fishing and turning the Oahe Reservoir into a vacant wasteland for nearly 10 years before it recovered. The exact scenario in which GF&P was created to avoid from happening. 

For deer in the Black Hills area they had bumper years when we had an ELNinio winter, they were not only having twins but they were having 2 sets of fawns that year and the following year we had yet another mild winter creating the scenario again. The Deer population exploded.  GF&P's reaction was to again, lift tag restrictions, bring in out of state hunters and they went a step further by reintroducing Mountain Lions. The did not tell anyone about the lions at first. When people reported seeing them they told the people there were no lions. That was in 1998. In 2001 they publicly announced that they reintroduced 6 breeding pair in 1995. In that same article they stated officiall count was 300-400 lions now present and suspect closer to 500-600 lions. About this time three things happened, predators were taking a chunk of the deer population and so were hunters with the increased number of tags available. Then disease hit the deer and suddenly the new predators don't have the abundance of food they once had. GF&P also did not immediately respond to the problem and went two more seasons before they reduced the tags only due to a high number of unfilled tags because there simply not many deer left. This time not only did they decimate the deer population but now we have hungry lions roaming about creating incidents with people. 

Since I was a kid I have seen them do this where they try to avert a problem by creating even more problems by over harvesting wildlife and introducing new problem species with about every living thing in this state. Ducks, Geese, fish, beaver, deer.... If it were not for the sportsmen in this state (A majority of whom are wildlife conservationists) not afraid to speak up and raise hell, GF&P would have done far worse. We try to work in conjuction with GF&P and I have friends withing GF&P. But we also realize they are an organization in which their employees lively hood depends on and they often make ethical decisions based on the interest of the department and employees before the wildlife they are to manage.