Australian Excise Rates for Tobacco - 2016

[puro]

Did I hear it just went up 12.5% ? There's no end to these maggots greed

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[skalls]

Bloody thieves.

You know, I may not agree with someone coming out and saying they want to ban something, but I can at least respect their willingness to be open, honest and upfront with me. **** like this just pisses me off to no end.

[MIKA27]

Wow that sucks guys. I feel for you. But look on the good side. You do have readily available CC's

It's kinda like saying, you're floating in an ocean of water, youre thirsty, no fresh water but hey, you have readily available water.

Yes we have cigars, but does everyone have the money to burn on a box when the general cost of living here is also so high?

If one is single or has a good job and steady income, great, if one has kids, mortgage etc, makes it pretty darn hard.

[El Presidente]

For those in NSW, in the upcoming Federal election, David Leyonhjelm is about the only chance this doesn't get through...and that is assuming it is a hung parliament and he picks up his Senate seat.

http://davidleyonhjelm.com.au/leyonhjelm-reveals-the-truth-about-tobacco-costings/

[MIKA27]

For those in NSW, in the upcoming Federal election, David Leyonhjelm is about the only chance this doesn't get through...and that is assuming it is a hung parliament and he picks up his Senate seat.

http://davidleyonhjelm.com.au/leyonhjelm-reveals-the-truth-about-tobacco-costings/

Indeed tobacco smokers are being ripped off... Unfortunately what are the odds of this guy keeping his seat, I never heard of him?

[El Presidente]

Indeed tobacco smokers are being ripped off... Unfortunately what are the odds of this guy keeping his seat, I never heard of him?

He has been a fairly Outspoken Senator. Liberal Democrats.

Runs on a policy of taking personal responsibility.

......no, I don't like his chances

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/david-leyonhjelm-under-a-cloud-after-cigarsmoking-push-for-votes-20160408-go1nrb.html

[MIKA27]

He has been a fairly Outspoken Senator. Liberal Democrats.

Runs on a policy of taking personal responsibility.

......no, I don't like his chances

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/david-leyonhjelm-under-a-cloud-after-cigarsmoking-push-for-votes-20160408-go1nrb.html

WOW,

Public health expert Simon Chapman said that in recent years parties that had tried to appeal to smokers had crashed and burned at the polls because they failed to understand most smokers don't support smoking.

"He's politically just very foolish or desperate," he said. "The vast majority of smokers, about 90 per cent in fact, regret having ever taken up smoking. There are a small minority of smokers who love smoking and hate tobacco control legislation."

Of course this would be the cigarette smokers versus those of us who enjoy cigars

[David88]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/03/australian-smokers-to-be-charged-28-for-a-pack-of-cigarettes-fro/

I read this article the other day and couldn't believe the levels of tax in Australia. By 2020 its going to cost $45 for a pack of cigarettes!? Unfortunately the prices will never go down. I personally can't recall ever seeing duty being reduced on anything. When petrol prices in the UK were rising, the duty on them remained the same (although they justified it by stating that they cancelled a planned increase) despite it having a serious affect on people. It's just easy money for the people at the top.

[OZCUBAN]

Time to grow your own?

Cannot even do that it is illegal to grow tobacco in this country

[OZCUBAN]

Correct me if I am wrong but since the Rudd/Gillard government and beyond havnt we had a 200 odd% rise in tobacco tax?.

[El Presidente]

Correct me if I am wrong but since the Rudd/Gillard government and beyond havnt we had a 200 odd% rise in tobacco tax?.

this year (September) sees the last of the 4 x 12.5% increases.

Now we have four more to come (after this years).

[Fuzz]

Correct me if I am wrong but since the Rudd/Gillard government and beyond havnt we had a 200 odd% rise in tobacco tax?.

This is the excise increase since Rudd took over in 2008 (per kg):

Feb 2008 - $307.47

Aug 2008 - $318.14

Feb 2009 - $321.00

Aug 2009 - $322.93

Feb 2010 - $327.77

Apr 2010 - $409.71

Aug 2010 - $415.86

Feb 2011 - $420.43

Aug 2011 - $430.94

Feb 2012 - $433.53

Aug 2012 - $436.11

Feb 2013 - $443.11

Aug 2013 - $446.65

Dec 2013 - $502.48

Mar 2014 - $507.99

Sep 2014 - $578.37

Mar 2015 - $587.62

Sep 2015 - $663.72

Mar 2016 - $671.68

[TheMunt]

So by 2020 it'll be like $1000 per kg...

That's hectic...

[Fuzz]

So by 2020 it'll be like $1000 per kg...

That's hectic...

Will actually be higher than $1000/kg, as you also have the twice yearly CPI increase as well.

[Guest]

The prices will be so prohibitive, that people will find other ways and means to score their loot.

In human history, has there ever been a case study that successfully demonstrates that making a desirable product / commodity either prohibitively priced (or illegal) that doesn't end in consumers sourcing it through black market channels of distribution?

It will turn law abiding citizens into criminals.

[Duxnutz]

You can still order o.s and run the gauntlet on tax. They might not get you every shipment but they increasingly will get you. I've had better success with customs/aquis than through mail. Still everything is worth it as the tax goes through the roof.

[Duxnutz]

The prices will be so prohibitive, that people will find other ways and means to score their loot.

In human history, has there ever been a case study that successfully demonstrates that making a desirable product / commodity either prohibitively priced (or illegal) that doesn't end in consumers sourcing it through black market channels of distribution?

It will turn law abiding citizens into criminals.

Already has. I've only paid tax on 12/200+ boxes. Bastards made me less than genuine.

[sastrooper]

Already has. I've only paid tax on 12/200+ boxes. Bastards made me less than genuine.

Whats the trick? Ive never had a box go through sans duties with cigars, customs always seem to pick up my packages

[puro]

Already has. I've only paid tax on 12/200+ boxes. Bastards made me less than genuine.

Hahahaha nice ! Not a bad record that !

[puro]

Whats the trick? Ive never had a box go through sans duties with cigars, customs always seem to pick up my packages

yes do tell !

[JC67]

For those in NSW, in the upcoming Federal election, David Leyonhjelm is about the only chance this doesn't get through...and that is assuming it is a hung parliament and he picks up his Senate seat.

http://davidleyonhjelm.com.au/leyonhjelm-reveals-the-truth-about-tobacco-costings/

Hes got my vote!!

[TheMunt]

Already has. I've only paid tax on 12/200+ boxes. Bastards made me less than genuine.

No doubt a NC smoker... only had 1 package stopped myself from that part of the planet.

CC's though, bend over and wait for it.

They hate smoking, but they love money...

If the one track minded politicians squeeze as much $$ out of the everyday smoker as possible, with a light at the end of the tunnel that snuffs out smoking for the younger generations forever, they think they are on the right track. Makes sense to them that the price increases, so if 50% of smokers quit in the next 4 years (which is highly unlikely) they will have doubled their duty pot and therefore raised the same amount of money with 50% less drain on the health system RE tobacco related illness...

Now I'll take off my "inconsiderate government official hat" and shed some light on the reality of the issue...

Advertising Regulations and Plain packaging was the beginning of the end of B&M's in Australia. For years now many smokers have been sending a lot of our money oversees, increased our smuggling efforts and in turn helped close a lot of Aussie businesses. Expect to see some really clever smuggling attempts increase as the duty becomes more out of reach for the every man. Then one day it will be illegal and bang we've just taken 100 years backwards step in society. Money will be thrown away on "The War on Tobacco", criminals will have a whole new industry open up to them over night. Instead of having a multi billion dollar tax that can actually be put to good use, they will ruin that revenue stream and it'll go the same way as the war on drugs... lives lost, money wasted, police sticking their noses in morality.

Prohibition does not work, people will smoke as a choice regardless of legality.

There are no people who don't do drugs because they can't find them .... it's a moral choice, and in my opinion governments and law enforcement shouldn't stop people making moral choices, they should only protect people from one another.

Let's forget for a second that they have put the casual cigar smoker in the same ******* bag as a pack a day cigarette smoker, which is ridiculous in itself..

They are about to make another mistake that will ruin an industry, it's tradition and another freedom in the already overly regulated country that men and women died in the belief they were fighting for our freedoms...

Wake up! This country needs a ******* shake up!

Lol rant over.. stay smoky

[Duxnutz]

No doubt a NC smoker... only had 1 package stopped myself from that part of the planet.

CC's though, bend over and wait for it.

They hate smoking, but they love money...If the one track minded politicians squeeze as much $$ out of the everyday smoker as possible, with a light at the end of the tunnel that snuffs out smoking for the younger generations forever, they think they are on the right track. Makes sense to them that the price increases, so if 50% of smokers quit in the next 4 years (which is highly unlikely) they will have doubled their duty pot and therefore raised the same amount of money with 50% less drain on the health system RE tobacco related illness...Now I'll take off my "inconsiderate government official hat" and shed some light on the reality of the issue...Advertising Regulations and Plain packaging was the beginning of the end of B&M's in Australia. For years now many smokers have been sending a lot of our money oversees, increased our smuggling efforts and in turn helped close a lot of Aussie businesses. Expect to see some really clever smuggling attempts increase as the duty becomes more out of reach for the every man. Then one day it will be illegal and bang we've just taken 100 years backwards step in society. Money will be thrown away on "The War on Tobacco", criminals will have a whole new industry open up to them over night. Instead of having a multi billion dollar tax that can actually be put to good use, they will ruin that revenue stream and it'll go the same way as the war on drugs... lives lost, money wasted, police sticking their noses in morality.Prohibition does not work, people will smoke as a choice regardless of legality.There are no people who don't do drugs because they can't find them .... it's a moral choice, and in my opinion governments and law enforcement shouldn't stop people making moral choices, they should only protect people from one another.Let's forget for a second that they have put the casual cigar smoker in the same ******* bag as a pack a day cigarette smoker, which is ridiculous in itself..They are about to make another mistake that will ruin an industry, it's tradition and another freedom in the already overly regulated country that men and women died in the belief they were fighting for our freedoms...Wake up! This country needs a ******* shake up!Lol rant over.. stay smoky

That's not counting NCs. I've only ever bought a handful of singles at a time. Back when one was allowed a whole box of cigars in your duty free allowance; order box(s) of cigars to whatever hotel or mailbox your staying regularly and mule them back in your luggage. 3x trips a month for several years adds up.

[Guest]

This country needs a ******* shake up!

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[joeruby]

CC's though, bend over and wait for it.

You feel so good putting in an order and and then wait in anticipation until it arrives.

Then you get that customs letter and reality hits..