SemperFumidus Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Hello all, Here are two boxes of cigars I recently received. I don't want to say too much as to influence/bias any answers. I believe these were purchased in Europe, Austria or Germany. What are the forums thoughts on authenticity?
ChampagneInHand Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 They look pretty solid. The Piramides look a bit like Belicoso though. Until really having the cigar band in hand and looking for factory stamp with month and date it's hard to tell. I think enjoy them. The Siglio looks a bit generic but I'm no expert with them. What shall we have? An '82 Margaux! Is it any good? Good....?, It will make you believe in God!
JohnS Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 The boxes look legitimate. I take it that the box code is for the Piramides Extra cigars. What is the box code for the Siglo VI? If it's prior to mid-2014, those bands were not used on Siglo cigars at that time. http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand.aspx?brand=Cohiba My initial impressions were how strange it was that the Piramides Extra cigars' bands weren't uniformly level with each other, some are a little higher on the cigar towards the head, and some are marginally lower towards the foot. Otherwise, they look okay. 1
shlomo Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Why do you doubt these? On quick first look, they look fine. 1
SemperFumidus Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 The boxes look legitimate. I take it that the box code is for the Piramides Extra cigars. What is the box code for the Siglo VI? If it's prior to mid-2014, those bands were not used on Siglo cigars at that time. http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/brand.aspx?brand=Cohiba My initial impressions were how strange it was that the Piramides Extra cigars' bands weren't uniformly level with each other, some are a little higher on the cigar towards the head, and some are marginally lower towards the foot. Otherwise, they look okay. Hi JohnS, The Sigolo box stamp is July 2015 The bands on the Piramides was one source of question. In the past, I have seen one or two where the bands were loose, but these were uniformly loose. Perhaps sometime in the humidor will fix this. I don't think it is an indictment necessarily as I think someone knocking off cigars would struggle for this kind of consistency.
SemperFumidus Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 Why do you doubt these? On quick first look, they look fine. I mentioned the loose Piramedes bands already as one thing that seemed off. Neither box had the authentication/serial numbers on them, yet the holographic side of the label seems spot on. Supposedly a reliable source from a region/area not overly prominent for knockoffs, but I didn't hand them the money myself. Aroma and construction seem very good on most cigars. The Piramedes were in a sealed box. The Sigolo were not. I sense a mix and match box as a few towards the bottom were a little beaten up. Smoke-able, but not in as god of condition as others.
toddskidmore16 Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Just run the numbers on them Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
JohnS Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Hi JohnS, The Sigolo box stamp is July 2015 The bands on the Piramides was one source of question. In the past, I have seen one or two where the bands were loose, but these were uniformly loose. Perhaps sometime in the humidor will fix this. I don't think it is an indictment necessarily as I think someone knocking off cigars would struggle for this kind of consistency. The Piramides Extras had those bands from 2012 onwards. A possible explanation for the loose bands could be shrinkage due to dry storage conditions. The Cohiba Siglo VI box code is legitimate for those bands. I would sample the cigars and go from there.
wolfain Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Just run the numbers on them Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Serials were removed. So it's a grey market dealer who sold this to you. Seems legit, from those pics, not exactly very clear pictures but they look alright. If you smoked them and they seem ok... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
LordAnubis Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 If you're keen about running numbers, i assume you can always find the microprint of the number easy enough? Even grey market warranty seals i imagine would still have the microprint on them. If your eyes aren't that good, then just use your phone to zoom in on the areas where the microprints are then numbers are easily visible through the phone. http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/common_images/text/cws-2011-marked.jpg It doesn't mean much though. Anyone can get a legit box, and anyone can get legit bands. Doesn't mean the cigars are real. There's only one way to know your cigars are real, that's to buy from a trusted source, and that's it.
SemperFumidus Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 Thank you gentlemen. My initial thought was grey market/third party and authentic. I am letting them rest a bit in the humidor and will enjoy one of each for the final test.
toddskidmore16 Posted January 15, 2016 Posted January 15, 2016 If you're keen about running numbers, i assume you can always find the microprint of the number easy enough? Even grey market warranty seals i imagine would still have the microprint on them. If your eyes aren't that good, then just use your phone to zoom in on the areas where the microprints are then numbers are easily visible through the phone. http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/common_images/text/cws-2011-marked.jpg It doesn't mean much though. Anyone can get a legit box, and anyone can get legit bands. Doesn't mean the cigars are real. There's only one way to know your cigars are real, that's to buy from a trusted source, and that's it. If you're that worried about your Habanos. You need better sources. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
RickHendeson Posted January 17, 2016 Posted January 17, 2016 Even grey market warranty seals i imagine would still have the microprint on them. Newp. Back when I bought grey market, at least one vendor removed all of them.
LordAnubis Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Yeah? Scratched off the micro print? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
fedi Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I once was told that counterfeits rarely come in the cardboard box...I couldn't really see the "C" in Cuba on the wrappers. That's an easy way to verify real v. fake.
Corylax18 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Yeah? Scratched off the micro print? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One Online/Grey Market Vendor I purchased from in the past removed all of the serial numbers, even the micro print ones. Most HSA authorized distributors don't want HSA to know to know they are unloading their "Less Desirable" stock into the grey Market. I did recently receive a box of JLP Conservas with the serial numbers removed from my current vendor, its the first time I've seen it in a while. It struck me as a bit odd, I thought all JLP's were "Less Desirable" Stock. Hahaha
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