luv2fly Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Here in TN, we have tobacco shops and discount tobacco/beer stores that have walk in humidors. I have one, the latter, that I go to often for air freshener and lighter fluid. Nice people that own/run the store. Waiting to pay, the customer in front was buying a box of Siglo 6. I asked the guy about this and he said it is now legal. WOW! After much conversation, he said he obtained the box from his beer distributer who also sells cigars. Again he emphasized that cuban cigars are now legal as was told him buy the salesman. The box was fake, a good fake but missing some marks. I had a feeling that the easing of restrictions might be an opening. These are good people that have been feed a bull full. Hate to see this. Anyone else seen this?
jwr0201 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Not yet, but with all of the confusion, it is bound to be on the rise. I work pt at a local cigar shop and am queried regularly if we hace 'real Cuban cigars'. NOPE!
NSXCIGAR Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 That's a stone cold scam and whatever outfit is doing it should be held accountable. You say this Siglo VI buyer was waiting to pay in front of you at the store run by these "nice people"? Or did I read that incorrectly? If so, these aren't nice people--they're fraudsters. If it was some other outfit I hope you politely explained he may be getting taken for a ride and to check the laws again. 1
cigarbigboy Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 incredible. there will be a lot of scams as things change.
SCgarman Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Nothing is "legal" until congress lifts the Helms-Burton act and then a signature by the POTUS. Total "Bravo-Sierra" from whomever was buying the "Siglo 6's" There is a lot of mis-information floating around out yonder. 1
skalls Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 That's a tobacconist that I'd never do business with ever again. Probably would report them to the ATF as well. They would frown on that behavior. 1
Ken Gargett Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 That's a stone cold scam and whatever outfit is doing it should be held accountable. You say this Siglo VI buyer was waiting to pay in front of you at the store run by these "nice people"? Or did I read that incorrectly? If so, these aren't nice people--they're fraudsters. If it was some other outfit I hope you politely explained he may be getting taken for a ride and to check the laws again. my impression was that the store owners were the nice people and doing what they thought legal from advice from the salesman who sold them the cigars. or did i misread? they may be innocent (and nice) but they are still breaking the law. 1
Popular Post Colt45 Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 3, 2016 Probably would report them to the ATF as well. They would frown on that behavior. Anybody buying Cuban cigars illegally, raise your hand and turn yourself in....... 11
BBS Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Anybody buying Cuban cigars illegally, raise your hand and turn yourself in....... Buying them is one thing, selling fakes to unsuspecting and less than knowledgeable customers while telling them 'they are legal now' is quite another. JMHO..... 1
Colt45 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Buying them is one thing, selling fakes to unsuspecting and less than knowledgeable customers while telling them 'they are legal now' is quite another. JMHO..... Advocating involving the atf is one of the "oddest" things I've ever read here. Back to my glass house..... 4
Ken Gargett Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Advocating involving the atf is one of the "oddest" things I've ever read here. Back to my glass house..... i would have to say i am 100% in agreement. i'd find out if the store owner genuinely believes that it is legal and if so, explain to him it is not. if he then still wants to, he does not deserve the honour of being dubbed a nice guy'. he is a crook. and should be treated as such. 1
luv2fly Posted January 3, 2016 Author Posted January 3, 2016 i would have to say i am 100% in agreement. i'd find out if the store owner genuinely believes that it is legal and if so, explain to him it is not. if he then still wants to, he does not deserve the honour of being dubbed a nice guy'. he is a crook. and should be treated as such. Agree. I did talk to him. I do believe he is clueless and taking the word of a "salesman". We will see how it pans out. Just don't want him to get into trouble.
saintsmokealot Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Hear no evil, See no evil, Smoke no evil.
cigcars Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 * * * Glass top Fauxhibas - here (the easily fooled) come
Pixa Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Buying them is one thing, selling fakes to unsuspecting and less than knowledgeable customers while telling them 'they are legal now' is quite another. JMHO..... But they are legal. Only cause they are fake. USA does not recognise Cuban copyright so there not breaking the law there. So as long as there fake I think the ATF would laugh as there no doing anything illegal in eyes of the law. Moral is different.
madandana Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I've had to explain to many people that nothings really changed in regaurds to traveling to Cuba or obtaining Cuban cigars. I've even heard media people say "now that Cubas open......" I had one blow hard telling me that he's been buying those $2 Cubans (now that Cubas open)and they taste like sh@t. There's alot of misinformation out there.
Liga1069 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 What the OP describes is one of my biggest concerns about the potential lifting of the embargo (or even just talking about it). The scammers are going to come out of the wood work; I'd expect it on the Net, but not in a B&M...that's just shady.
Colt45 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 USA does not recognise Cuban copyright But I imagine they'd recognize the words Hecho en Cuba..... 1
LGC Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 IMO, anyone not willing to perform due diligence doesn't need to be profiting off of others. 1
Pixa Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 But I imagine they'd recognize the words Hecho en Cuba..... Lol wrong meaning of the word. But the person is complaining there fake so you would just assuming the made in Cuba stamp is just as fake, kind of like the thousands of boxes you see in tourist traps in Mexico. It was the irony of someone thinking the ATF would give a monkeys about someone selling fake Cuban cigars. Though the more worrying point is that if the shop is gullible enough to sell these you wonder how much other moody stock they. Been plenty of fake high end NC's about
NapaNolan Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 But they are legal. Only cause they are fake. USA does not recognise Cuban copyright so there not breaking the law there. So as long as there fake I think the ATF would laugh as there no doing anything illegal in eyes of the law. Moral is different. Selling fake cocaine is still a crime even if you know it's just baking soda. 2
cigarbigboy Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Buying them is one thing, selling fakes to unsuspecting and less than knowledgeable customers while telling them 'they are legal now' is quite another. JMHO..... You're not really breaking the law because you're selling fakes, not real cubans....lol
Pixa Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Selling fake cocaine is still a crime even if you know it's just baking soda. Lucky for us tobacco is not a controlled drug, which has completely different laws. The only thing the person could get in trouble for is fraud which the ATF would not care about and would be quite a hard prosecution. This person traded in goods which are legal to trade in but pretended they were from a country we don't allow trade with. To relate to closer scenario it would be like them charging someone for selling fake haggis as it does not have sheep lung in it. The sheep lung is the reasons you can't sell it in USA. But there are company's selling haggis in USA but it's fake. Quick call the Feds
Colt45 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 But they are legal. Only cause they are fake. But the person is complaining there fake so you would just assuming the made in Cuba stamp is just as fake, The only thing the person could get in trouble for is fraud Plenty of fakes are made in Cuba using Cuban tobacco, and find their way all over the globe....
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