jat Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) I don't want the board going all political, but a sweeping change in Canada recently. What the local view on this? I'm not sure what the difference between Conservatives and Liberal is, at least in a Canadian political context. We changed leaders in Oz recently and I think the overall impression is that at least we have somebody who can string a sentence together. Our bar is set low and still politicians manage to bump their heads (something about crawl along the ground needs to be put here). Arrh meant PM at the top too. Edited October 21, 2015 by bundwallah Fixed MP to PM for ya. ;)
Popular Post shlomo Posted October 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted October 21, 2015 Very divided here. Clearly the majority of the country wanted a change. Personally I'm not sure why? Canada has been a world leader over the past decade, thrived through 2 terrible global economic crises', and has been a country I was proud of. Far from perfect, but we basically just elected a middle school history and geography teacher with a famous last name to lead our country.HHope he has some good advisors and that he listens to them. Which begs the question.....why not just elect the advisors in his cabinet instead of him? 5
Rye Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I am from the part of the great country that voted strongly to keep the guy we had. 3
Boosted Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Maegan lives in Harper's riding so we talked about it a great deal. I couldn't get enough of yall's election news. Everything I had seen and read 2 days prior looked like it was going to be a minority government. Last poll I looked at a couple days ago had Libs at 35% and the Cons at 33%. I couldn't believe what had happened when I looked last night.
Baldy Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I notice a lot of hysteria and fear mongering during election in Canada. Fact is we are a bunch of sheep voting for wolves. Sharing a long border with the US, US politics influence us Canadians more than we like to admit. Economic condition is a good indicator of voting trend. Economy is not good right now.
shlomo Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Maegan lives in Harper's riding so we talked about it a great deal. I couldn't get enough of yall's election news. Everything I had seen and read 2 days prior looked like it was going to be a minority government. Last poll I looked at a couple days ago had Libs at 35% and the Cons at 33%. I couldn't believe what had happened when I looked last night. Tons of voters shifted from the NDP to the Liberals as they had the best chance to oust Harper. That's one reason for the majority. JT copied Obama's "change" and "hope" playbook. It worked. Still trying to understand what will change and how, plus I'm asking myself what am I hoping for? Higher taxes for me, less tax breaks, terrible dealings with small businesses, huge breaks for large corporations, unknown or ambiguous foreign policy, uncertainty regarding certain future Quebec referendum, atrocious educational and health professional work and salary conditions..... I HOPE he (juste un trou d'eau) CHANGES his tune on some or all of these major issues. 4
Boosted Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Tons of voters shifted from the NDP to the Liberals as they had the best chance to oust Harper. That's one reason for the majority. JT copied Obama's "change" and "hope" playbook. It worked. Still trying to understand what will change and how, plus I'm asking myself what am I hoping for? Higher taxes for me, less tax breaks, terrible dealings with small businesses, huge breaks for large corporations, unknown or ambiguous foreign policy, uncertainty regarding certain future Quebec referendum, atrocious educational and health professional work and salary conditions..... I HOPE he (juste un trou d'eau) CHANGES his tune on some or all of these major issues. You're so right about the Obama playbook. I listened to him speak a few times, and told Maegan I had seen and heard this before. Just like 2008 all over again. The funny thing is I've talked to quite a few people that voted for Harper or the Conservatives. They've told me we lost, but at least it's a majority government! WTF...
jackattack Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 That hopey change thing isn't working down here. I hope it works out better for our friends to the north. Shlomo's post is word for word what we have down here.....hoping for "sunny ways my friend. Sunny ways"..... 2
Guest scsi Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 It's no surprise that the Liberals swept into majority government like they did. It seems, in Canada, once a party has been in power for too long, it suffers from the malaise that comes with ultimate power. The last three years have seen scandals from cronies, special staffers and the like, and while nothing has been traced back to the Prime Minister's office, Canadians have been thinking that Harper's up to no good. While I agree that Justin stole a page out of Obama's hope playbook, there's no denying that he has all of the political slyness and savvy that his father had. He ran a remarkable campaign, with a legion of volunteers that got his message out and their voters to the poll booths. There is almost an impossible bar of expectation with his election and his honeymoon with the Canadian electorate will be brief. If you look at his political history though, young Trudeau may surprise us all. When he first decided to run for office, he choose the Quebec riding of Papineau, a Riding that had been firmly in the grasp of the Bloc Quebecois for the past 2 election cycles. He could have run in Westmount or Outremont and it would have been a coronation. True, his name makes him an easily recognizable figure with the rich history that goes with being the son of one of our greatest Prime Ministers, but again In Papineau, he ran a flawless campaign and worked tirelessly to get himself elected to Parliament. Personally, I'm old enough to have lived through the Pierre Elliot Trudeau days and I love him and his legacy. His son inherits a government that is dealing with issues his father could not even conceive of. I do think that he has the courage of his convictions like his father had, whether that be good or bad. I believe he leans further to the left than his father did. The elder Trudeau in many ways put Canada front and center on the world stage, perhaps his son will do something as worthy. 4
Drexl2000 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Would anyone have preferred Rob Ford as PM?
CigSid Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Tons of voters shifted from the NDP to the Liberals as they had the best chance to oust Harper. That's one reason for the majority. JT copied Obama's "change" and "hope" playbook. It worked. Still trying to understand what will change and how, plus I'm asking myself what am I hoping for? Higher taxes for me, less tax breaks, terrible dealings with small businesses, huge breaks for large corporations, unknown or ambiguous foreign policy, uncertainty regarding certain future Quebec referendum, atrocious educational and health professional work and salary conditions..... I HOPE he (juste un trou d'eau) CHANGES his tune on some or all of these major issues. I could not have said it better myself...
Sigaar Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 "Hope and change" isn't working out so well here...doubt it will north of the border. 1
IcedCanuck Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I have noticed over the years that people on the left get angry when the right wins and people on the right get angy when the left wins. No matter which party wins there will always be some who are happy about it, some who are not happy about it, and others who simply couldn't care a less either way. 2
Warren Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 From what I've heard about him you should get ready for a massive deficit and a big rise in Electricity prices at the very least. 1
Profmd Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 From what I've heard about him you should get ready for a massive deficit and a big rise in Electricity prices at the very least. Can't raise electricity any more, already highest in the free world. More debit and also having a Liberal running Ontario...... Think I need to move 2
shlomo Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 It's no surprise that the Liberals swept into majority government like they did. It seems, in Canada, once a party has been in power for too long, it suffers from the malaise that comes with ultimate power. The last three years have seen scandals from cronies, special staffers and the like, and while nothing has been traced back to the Prime Minister's office, Canadians have been thinking that Harper's up to no good. While I agree that Justin stole a page out of Obama's hope playbook, there's no denying that he has all of the political slyness and savvy that his father had. He ran a remarkable campaign, with a legion of volunteers that got his message out and their voters to the poll booths. There is almost an impossible bar of expectation with his election and his honeymoon with the Canadian electorate will be brief. If you look at his political history though, young Trudeau may surprise us all. When he first decided to run for office, he choose the Quebec riding of Papineau, a Riding that had been firmly in the grasp of the Bloc Quebecois for the past 2 election cycles. He could have run in Westmount or Outremont and it would have been a coronation. True, his name makes him an easily recognizable figure with the rich history that goes with being the son of one of our greatest Prime Ministers, but again In Papineau, he ran a flawless campaign and worked tirelessly to get himself elected to Parliament. Personally, I'm old enough to have lived through the Pierre Elliot Trudeau days and I love him and his legacy. His son inherits a government that is dealing with issues his father could not even conceive of. I do think that he has the courage of his convictions like his father had, whether that be good or bad. I believe he leans further to the left than his father did. The elder Trudeau in many ways put Canada front and center on the world stage, perhaps his son will do something as worthy. Harper did exactly that.... And Trudeau Sr. nearly bankrupted Canada and left us in the same shape as Greece....He was charismatic, as is his son, thats all smoke and mirrors however. Trudeau's disastrous reign took more than 30 years to correct. Which Harper finally did. 1
shlomo Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I have noticed over the years that people on the left get angry when the right wins and people on the right get angy when the left wins. No matter which party wins there will always be some who are happy about it, some who are not happy about it, and others who simply couldn't care a less either way. I'm not angry, I'm disappointed and worried. For the reasons stated above. My own personal standard of living will significantly decrease if the new gov't has their way. My money will be worth less internationally and will be able to buy less at the stores. Plus, I'll simply have less of it. And thats just my own little tiny world affected. It is sad that ANYBODY should not care about who leads our countries. Sticking one's head in the sand leads to suffocation and death, not blissful ignorance. 3
planetary Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I don't want the board going all political ...then starting this thread was a mistake. 2
brschoppe Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Very divided here. Clearly the majority of the country wanted a change. I find it interesting that the economy seemed to be a partial driver in this change. From what I have read, the economy is taking a big hit because of the decline in crude. I find it interesting that they went an elected a green candidate. Much like Norway which just banned autos in the center of Oslo, how do liberal politics mesh with the non-green oil revenues that drive their socialist agenda. I kind of see it like the drug deal who doesn't mind selling, but wouldn't use his own product. Ironically, just saw the article today that Cuba is eager to start working with US oil companies. I wonder how many of them are eager to get back to Cuba after the first thing nationalized after the revolution was the oil industry?
Baldy Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 "Hope and change" isn't working out so well here...doubt it will north of the border. What? A politician would lie? Hope and change in an economic downturn is a winning formula for any politician not currently in government. If you have nothing else to add but have charisma and oration skills.....ding ding ding winner! Not a new formula and not unique to North America. I'm sure more than a few Roman politicians lied, cheat and talked their way to power too. 1
CigarDarr111 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Would anyone have preferred Rob Ford as PM? Harper being so against the decriminalization of cannabis had no problems standing with the crack smoking ex mayor of Canada's biggest city to bolster more votes...#DigginDeep 2
CigarDarr111 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 "Hope and change" isn't working out so well here...doubt it will north of the border. The majority of Canadians are glad to see Bush gone... I mean harper.. 2
ebhead Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 From my standpoint the economic policies of the three main parties is really pretty much the same...so it really was a wash. ...Harper was pretty much done in by his xenophobia and bigotry. And I found it hilarious that a party that calls itself conservative (a group which tends to be about individualism) was so intent on telling what citizens (and potential) could and could not do with their particular beliefs, or who is or isn't a Canadian...and decided somehow this was going to win them power... Related to the above I think this election was, again, decided in large part by Ontario (largest province). We in Ontario have a penchant for making politicians who decide to bring in a religious bent to their platform suffer. Harper just felt that. Same thing happened with the provinces Conservatives two elections ago when the leader at the time decided that funding religious schools would be good plicy e (edited to add two words I missed) 2
jgnome Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I find them all crooked. Best government Canada can have is a minority Government as it takes a lot of multi party support to pass any legislation. 1
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