Same Sex Marriage

[asmartbull]

This is a recurring straw man. Just because people have the right to get married and the state issues a marriage license that doesn't obligate any church to sanction or perform any marriage, and no one is suggesting that it should. As it is now, heterosexual couples have the right to obtain a marriage license, and different churches may or may not choose to perform any individual marriage. It would be no different for *** couples. No church would be or has been forced by law to perform any marriage, or any other religious function. This is just something people keep bringing up to frighten the ignorant.

In the US churches are very concerned about the on-slot of lawsuits and the loss of tax exempt status if the Feds are in charge. ....This would also hurt many of the outreach programs, which really impacts the poor first.

[DrunkenMonkey]

In the US churches are very concerned about the on-slot of lawsuits and the loss of tax exempt status if the Feds are in charge. ....This would also hurt many of the outreach programs, which really impacts the poor first.

Yes, there may be churches who are opposed to *** marriage who use the same straw-man. So is there anyone who has ever advocated for forcing churches to perform same-sex marriages? Ever? Anywhere?

[canadianbeaver]

Yes, there may be churches who are opposed to *** marriage who use the same straw-man. So is there anyone who has ever advocated for forcing churches to perform same-sex marriages? Ever? Anywhere?

DM you bring up a point I never thought of before. I personally believe being *** is absolutely something humans do and that we even talk about it is ridiculous. Get married, adopt, whatever. But that is just me.

Jewish couples who are not both at the same level of observance (there are three), Reform, Conservative and Orthodox, have to follow rules and may not be allowed to marry in the same synagogue, by a rabbi in the same place, or even get a rabbi to marry them. Certainly mixed religion couples have road blocks for the way they can marry. As a matter of fact, many Orthodox Jews do not even consider my family Jewish at all.

So to clarify, is this news about recognizing same sex marriage for acknowledgment legally, for government allowed benefits etc? Or, is this to say, Church, Society, these couples are legally married so open your doors and let them in, whether you want to or not?

[PapaDisco]

I think a lot of the disagreement on the issue is created by the conflation of the religious and legal authorities on the matter. If legislatures had kept Church and State separate when it came to marriage we'd have an easier time about it today. Let Churches do "Marriages" and let the State do "Civil Unions." Once the State steps into the Marriage business it just gets murky.

Filing for a license for a Union should be the step that creates legal rights between two individuals; be they ***, straight or even if they aren't even sleeping together but want a lifetime wingman watching their back in case of accident, death, estate executor, etc.

[Ken Gargett]

Once the State steps into the Marriage business it just gets murky.

we could say the same about the church. enough posts just in this thread to confirm that.

[Ryan]

Divorce is legal in most western countries. It is not recognised by the catholic church (for example).

No country forces any church to recognise a divorce.

Catholic churches everywhere refuse to remarry divorced people without fear of prosecution from any state (country).

If churches were obliged to follow the rule of civil law, we'd all have female priests by now.

[ha1fway]

Yes, there may be churches who are opposed to *** marriage who use the same straw-man. So is there anyone who has ever advocated for forcing churches to perform same-sex marriages? Ever? Anywhere?

Not that I'm aware of. I was married once upon a time. As a Godless heathen churches weren't exactly lining up to volunteer to hold my ceremony. I don't personally see any difference here.

It's two consenting adults that aren't hurting anyone. The children argument is also stupid unless we're also going to ban single parents? People need to grow up and move on.

[wabashcr]

Good for Ireland. Without getting into US politics, I'll just say I live in a state that will have to be dragged into the 21st century, kicking and screaming like a three year old. Thankfully the federal courts have provided some relief, and I expect the Supreme Court to strike down any same sex marriage bans, as soon as they're forced to rule on the issue.