Smallclub Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Say a wrapper is 20 percent of the flavor... The % is meaningless. A wrapper that obviously hasn't matured enough will taste terrible and will ruin the experience, even if the filler is of good quality.
El Presidente Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 Not to derail any of this, but the wrapper only makes up a portion of the flavor, so why do horrible wrappers seem to equate to an exponentially bad smoke? Say a wrapper is 20 percent of the flavor... Does a pale wrapper taste 20 percent worse that a rich dark wrapper? From the comments I get the feeling a pale wrapper essentially makes it a poor smoke Pale wrappers with a little (or a lot) of sheen are a joy. I love them. Yellow, sandpaper, lifeless wrappers are to my experience awful. Dark, thick, sandpaper wrappers are also awful. As for the % amount wrapper is to flavour it depends how you look at it. I am from the school where the wrapper influences the end flavour 100%.
TypicalSituation Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 The % is meaningless. A wrapper that obviously hasn't matured enough will taste terrible and will ruin the experience, even if the filler is of good quality.Ah I guess this is definitely the way to look at it. I pictured something like a cocktail where proportions make up the entirety of the elixir. A bit too much or too little of this or that can throw the flavor, but as I read your post, you relate it to someone dumping Whiskey in your martini... It just ruins it.
Dimmers Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 As for the % amount wrapper is to flavour it depends how you look at it. I am from the school where the wrapper influences the end flavour 100%. The best analogy ive read (maybe here, cant remember) is that wrapper effect is akin to salt+pepper /spices in your meal. Tiny component of the overall meal mass wise, but big difference flavour wise. 1
SerieT Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 i wouldnt think that the discrepancies between cigars would be so blatant , with all the talk about more effort into quality control ... im disappointed
JohnS Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 There are some nice pale brown wrappers (Quai d'Orsay, ERDM). What you don't want is greenish, yellowish sand paper devoid of any oil. Spot on Frank. The oil content is the key. Getting just the right amount of it in the wrapper is what matters!
thecrowder Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 An example of why I don't blindly chase after box codes. 1
AbuAmelia Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 It's funny seeing this, just yesterday I was asking a friend of mine if it's normal that exact box codes have different shades of wrappers that are like night and day. He said is was normal. I Learn something new everyday. I guess they ran out out of either the light or darker wrappers. Hopefully they're both good.
vavrekjjj Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 my experience with: HU Connie A 2013 release - light wrappers 2014 release - mostly dark oily wrappers between both little difference in flavours nuances but both are excellent cigars .... Montecristo Edmundo 2014 July release - light wrappers 2014 Nov release - dark little bit oily wrappers November release is much better flavourful , but July release is not so bad ... RyJ Wide Churchills 2013 release - darker wrappers 2014 may release - rosado wrappers 2014 sep release - light wrappers 2014 may release are the best ones , other two are more less equal...quite good , mostly woody flavour with spice .... COHIBA SIGLO IV with dark wrappers better than with lighter wrappers ( about 15 samples done ) but COHIBA SIGLO VI and BEHIKE 54 with light wrappers (also quite bit of sheen ) are excellent 1
CigarEnthusiast Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 You find that freak race horse that defies its physical limitations to become a champion. Normally however they are a fail. If this the second box of cigars were a racehorse....I would put it down. I'll still smoke the second box haha 1
joeypots Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 There is a big difference in quality between Rob's rejected box of D4s and the lighter colored Britanicas. In the end, the only way to tell is by smoking the cigar. I don't know off hand how many different wrapper shades the Cuban industry recognizes and has names but it's quite a few. Dark and oily is a cliche. I think well constructed cigars with a nice sheen anywhere in the spectrum of color can be fantastic. 1
muzz Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 I had an E2 a little while ago which had a pale wrapper such as the piss poor quality D4 you have pictures. I wish I had have taken a photo now as it was the same colour but very smooth and oily with a great sheen. 4 of us smoked them and they were a memorable smoke. Me because it was my first E2, and the others because they were exceptional.
hellorockview12 Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Wow what a difference! After looking at 24 24 every day I forgot they could look like that!
LordAnubis Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Smoke em both mate!!! Tell us your tasting results.
TonyAccardo Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 Yes, I too would be more interested in how each cigar honestly tastes now at this point that we've seen the difference. I've got several boxes of cigars, one of them being a box of BBF's that have that pale, anemic looking wrapper on them and they they are one of my better cigars. I've come to the understanding that there really is no rhyme or reason as to whether they're going to be great or not. 1
glassbase Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 I got 2 boxes of D4's (10 count) that my neighbour brought back from Cuba same box code/month and sequential serial numbers. One box is a bit dark and oily and the next box is dark and dull like sandpaper. As this was the first time I have come across this I smoked one of the dark sandpaper wrappers and it was absolutely awful. I tried one of the "normal/nice" looking ones and was relieved that it wasn't a total loss. I have picked out a few of what I think are going to be prime examples from the sandpaper box but I am so weary, I do not know what to do with them. I will update with pictures later, so anyone else fairly new to smoking can know what to look for beyond the beautiful examples that get posted by the pres.
Habana Mike Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 I will say that I have boxes of RACF with both darker, oily wrappers and lighter, drier wrappers. Much prefer the former though the latter are still a decent smoke.
El Presidente Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 Smoke em both mate!!! Tell us your tasting results. no need mate as I have smoked them many times before being a cheap bastard who smokes seconds a large proportion of the time! If you are missing oil in the wrapper then you are missing a magic ingredient. The darkness of lightness of the wrapper is not the issue.
JohnS Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 There are some nice pale brown wrappers (Quai d'Orsay, ERDM). What you don't want is greenish, yellowish sand paper devoid of any oil. If you are missing oil in the wrapper then you are missing a magic ingredient. The darkness of lightness of the wrapper is not the issue. I find there is much talk, in cigar circles, about cigar storage, reviving dry cigars etc...but, if the initial (oil in the wrapper) quality of the cigar is average, it can't get better over time. The emphasis on oil is often neglected when it comes to discussing these topics. 2
glassbase Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 The D4s at the bottom have no sheen/shine, wrappers are brittle and flaky.
fingerburner Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 If I found those carrots in my crisper, I'd throw them out.
vavrekjjj Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 but i also agree , oil is the key in CC .... this week Partagas D5 light wrapper with nice sheen - fantastic smoke.... 1
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