DCigar Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Hi, I'm finding my way around Cubans and what I like, enjoying the discovery... But I don't get Limited Editions and Regionals - what is different about them? I totally get however the urge to collect anything limited! Thanks in advance!
Habana Mike Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 While I have my thoughts and experiences I believe I'll leave this one to the Pigfish 2
polarbear Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 In a nutshell? Every year HSA release a number of limited production cigars to the market These sticks are usually different in vitola to anything found in the regular production marcas they represent. The are sold at a premium and often contain aged tobacco and sport a 2nd band denoting the reason for the release.
polarbear Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Also http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/releases.aspx#Edition_Limitada_Series http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/releases.aspx#Regional_Edition_Series 3
JohnS Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 While I have my thoughts and experiences I believe I'll leave this one to the Pigfish I swear that was what I was thinking...you beat me to it by 10 minutes!On a serious note, some on the forum are for them, others are against, usually due to price. The recent Limited Edition releases have been smoking well. Rob and Ken have done some video reviews on them, recently.
DCigar Posted May 8, 2015 Author Posted May 8, 2015 Thanks, very interesting. I'd expect I'll start buying them, if for no other reason than I can and when I see something 'Limited' I pretty much have to collect it. Marketers dream... More seriously though, do they have history of appreciating prices - I don't see much of a secondary market for cigars as I do for say wine. Perhaps I've just not seen it yet. Or are they rather just ways of testing new cigars in markets with 'collectors' covering the costs by increased margins?
RijkdeGooier Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 The RE-editions contain the same tobacco as regular production - and can sometimes produce interesting sizes or blends, but there is no guarantee. They are not necessarily better than regular production. The EL-editions contain the same tobacco with the notable exception of the wrapper which is darker (maduro) and aged for at least 2 years. They should in the end produce stronger smokes, but are mixed every year, so here as well as with any other one-offs - you have better and not so good cigars. Then there is the appeal of the 'limited' nature of these releases, although some have made it into regular production in some form or another (PD5).
polarbear Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 More seriously though, do they have history of appreciating prices - I don't see much of a secondary market for cigars as I do for say wine. Perhaps I've just not seen it yet. Some do appreciate very well, most don't The ones that tend to appreciate are the harder to find RE's and the more expensive LE's At best, the appreciation happens slowly and a 5% increase per year on even the most sought after release is rare Theres a whole thread on cigars as investments and a lot of people raise a number of good points At the very least, any cigar you purchase for RRP should be able to be sold to recoup your initial investment down the line should you need to
Hash Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Limited Editions cigars are usually a one time production , i.e , they are only produced in the year they are announced, hence the Limited, also they contain aged tobacco over two years in most cases, e.g of limited releases, The Cohiba Sublimes 2004, Cohiba DC,2003, the Montecristo sublimes 2008 .Those cigars become a collectors items and appreciate in value. As for the Regional releases, these are usually produced with coordination with the local importers in different regions, one of the most popular regional releases have been the ones for Lebanon, Ramon Allones Phoencios, 2008 ,or RA Eshmoun 2013, they take into account the taste preference of that particular region.
maxcjs0101 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Limited Editions cigars are usually a one time production , i.e , they are only produced in the year they are announced, hence the Limited, also they contain aged tobacco over two years in most cases, e.g of limited releases, The Cohiba Sublimes 2004, Cohiba DC,2003, the Montecristo sublimes 2008 .Those cigars become a collectors items and appreciate in value. As for the Regional releases, these are usually produced with coordination with the local importers in different regions, one of the most popular regional releases have been the ones for Lebanon, Ramon Allones Phoencios, 2008 ,or RA Eshmoun 2013, they take into account the taste preference of that particular region. May i ask how do they summarize a preference for a particular region? I was under the impression that they create special blends for a region not because of what one region likes (i dont know how thwy'd be able to come up with that, i could be wrong).
Hash Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 May i ask how do they summarize a preference for a particular region? I was under the impression that they create special blends for a region not because of what one region likes (i dont know how thwy'd be able to come up with that, i could be wrong). My understanding , is that the local importer is consulted about the blend, for example if a particular region prefers full bodied cigars than that regional release will have the character of a full bodied smoke. The local importer will be able to identify the preference of his market according to his sales numbers. Also keep in mind that in regional releases the local importer carries some of the cost of that particular production .
Popular Post dvickery Posted May 8, 2015 Popular Post Posted May 8, 2015 EL/ER = Too fat ... Too many bands ... Too expensive . Derrek 5
ChanceSchmerr Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 EL/ER = Too fat ... Too many bands ... Too expensive . Derrek Don't forget "Too Short" for most RE's. Getting friggin' tired of endless Short Robustos/Short Edmundo RE releases.... 4
Lotusguy Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 LEs have all tobacco aged 2 years and not just the wrapper since 2005 or so.
Duxnutz Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 They pretty much copied the Non Cuban model of 'Manufactured Scarcity' to jack up prices for a product that's differentiated from regular production by only an extra band or two. Sure they advertise the aged tobacco content, but I have a hard time believing it's not happening with reg. production too. A common blight on the hobby that newer folks to cubans rush out and buy all the LEs/Regionals thinking they're getting the best of Habanos offerings when in reality a handful of Robustos/Petite Coronas and Torpedos would be a much greater introduction! All just my opinion.
JohnS Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 A common blight on the hobby that newer folks to cubans rush out and buy all the LEs/Regionals thinking they're getting the best of Habanos offerings when in reality a handful of Robustos/Petite Coronas and Torpedos would be a much greater introduction! All just my opinion. Good point, Adam. More expensive/exclusive does not always equate to better. I've really enjoyed some standard production petit coronas lately. Then again, that 2011 Cohiba 1966 LE release was exceptional!
Habana Mike Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 I will say I have and do enjoy many of the Regional for the unique blends and vitolas. I know many poo poo these and understand many of the reasons but several of the smokes I've enjoyed the past few years were RE. Hate the pricing and exclusivity on some but in the end it's good to get some variety.
Ken Gargett Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 EL/ER = Too fat ... Too many bands ... Too expensive . Derrek in the early days when LE's were first released, they were the ultimate bargains. a lot cheaper than many normal release cigars. i suspect that the cubans were dipping the toe and had no real idea how they'd go. and when they did go off, up went prices.
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